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shane Thank you, Ziebell.. 7 years 10 months ago #29

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So the media got kicked out of the rooms and Damian Barrett decided to make it about the integrity of the game.
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Redned Thank you, Ziebell.. 7 years 10 months ago #30

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"Bloody umpires should not have preconceived ideas and just pay them as they see them. For once, I'm with Scott."

They should call it as they see it, but they also should not call it where the contact was instigated by the player on whose head contact was made.

If you are going to have a rule that is based on player safety, you shouldn't pay free kicks where a player acts deliberately to initiate contact. It has a moral element to it that doesn't apply to milking free kicks by other means.
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shane Thank you, Ziebell.. 7 years 10 months ago #31

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Milking a free kick is completely different to putting your head in the way to get a free kick.

Lindsay Thomas will make sure you know the contact is there but how much of that comes from the frustration of umpires refusing to pay him a free kick. All he could assume is that they're not seeing the high contact - because we know that the umpires are choc full of integrity - so he let's them see it. It's not the most flattering of habits but it's not dangerous and it doesn't nullify the high contact.

Michael Walters has the same problem. He goes in low to get under a tackle and sometimes he cops one in the head. Someone decided that he was staging for free kicks and now you could whack him in the back of the head with a folder chair and he wouldn't get a free. Hayden Ballantyne doesn't get free kicks, presumably just because they decided he fit the profile of someone who probably would be likely to do it.

Yet there are players that consistently drop to the ground to initiate a high tackle or linger with their heads over the ball who keep getting free kicks, even when an entire stadium of people have seen it coming.

He was completely correct. They don't pay Lindsay Thomas free kicks because they've decided he's a ducker. They should fix that problem first, then worry about the whinging coach problem.
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RideoftheVagaries Thank you, Ziebell.. 7 years 10 months ago #32

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They have to recognise it as a problem first though. They may be too busy reacting all self-righteous like to do that at the moment.
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shane Thank you, Ziebell.. 7 years 10 months ago #33

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Maybe they could do an $80,000 study.
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Raglan Matt Thank you, Ziebell.. 7 years 10 months ago #34

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If they fixed the problem, they would miss out on the big fines. I have said for a long time that Walters does not duck into high tackles, he ducks to try and get under the high tackle, because he knows from experience that he will NOT get a free kick. Ballantyne dishes out the same treatment as he gets, expecting the umpires to ignore what he does just like they ignore what is done to him. That is his mistake. Does Ross go postal before and during a press conference over it ? No because he knows damn well that it wont change anything. So he tells Freo to play the game as best they can under the conditions they have to put up with. "At least we can hold our heads up and say Anytime, ANywhere Anyhow, we will give it our best shot, no matter what."

The AFL will allow the likes of Hodge, Mitchell, Harvey (pinchy) and co to get away with whatever they want, but others are not afforded the same privilege. That makes a mockery of the claim that all are treated equal. As Fyfe and the Port player Hodge rammed into the point post will testify.
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Docker by the Sea Thank you, Ziebell.. 7 years 10 months ago #35

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I have argued long and hard that we should make comment in the media around some statistical facts. These were then supported by some brilliant data that we are all aware of provided by Fre-Doh.
The problem is that Scott made a pretty substantial specific accusation against the umpire/s that was proven to be wrong.
Found it hard to cop on top of 17-3 advantage early. Would agree from the outside that Thomas does appear to be adjudicated differently on this particular decision. The penalty is unbelievably harsh.
As the rules are at the moment they are free kicks. I personally particularly dislike the action where the player being tackled locks the arm of opposing player across their neck preventing anything but high contact.
Walters clearly ducks and drives to avoid the tackler as an exit strategy as RM says, this currently is not a free kick and actually runs the risk of being holding the ball as this can be deemed prior opportunity.
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Drubbing Thank you, Ziebell.. 7 years 10 months ago #36

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A $30k fine for pointing out what 100,000+ punters can see every weekend shows how much the AFL have lost the plot.

They simply don't care that there's a problem. They just don't want sub contacted employees saying it. They are bereft of ethics and scruples.

If this is how they treat 'favoured' Melbourne clubs, is anyone surprised Lyon won't go near a full on Scott sook, or why the club never bothers to challenge a player penalty?
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