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TOPIC: Rule Changes

Raglan Matt Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #1

Raglan Matt
Kennedy said Spurr had soccered the ball into the goal post from a long way out.

"That's very similar to the Eric Mackenzie one the week before. He kicks it from a fair way out, you're probably looking at 13 metres, and he kicks it in an uncontested manner.

"So, according to what we'd sent out to the clubs, and [were] now currently interpreting as rushed behinds, it's a warranted free kick."


2 points I would raise here.
I I stand corrected but wasn't Mckenzie 25 - 30 mt out and meters in the clear when he put through the rushed behind? ( I would accept his defence that he was having a shot for goal, but missed by about 180 mt) and Spurr was almost in the square, with a Richmond player about to tackle him.

II If the free kick was justified why, as the rules state, was the mark not set on the goal post which was hit by the ball. and will we see a crackdown on this error by the maggots next week?
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shane Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #2

shane
Ignoring as well that it was wet and very slippery, to bend down and pick the ball up would have meant slowing down and being tackled. If he slipped and fallen on the ball then he's holding the ball.

I don't think changing the interpretation of a rule is a legitimate thing to start with but for something like this, where they've changed the premise for the rule existing, it has to be a pre-season rewording of the rule.

It's gone past mere interpretation. They have removed the key part of the rule which says that benefit of the doubt will go to the defender.
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Flag_2005 Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #3

Flag_2005
If he falls on the ball and gets tackled (very likely in the conditions) he gets pinged for holding it.

If he uses some defensive skill to paddle the ball toward and over the boundary line whilst under the hammer and in those conditions he gets pinged for deliberate out of bounds.

Now, apparently, if he soccers it through in wet, slippery conditions when neither of the above options was available to him he's also pinged.

Jerry Seinfeld couldn't make stuff up as funny as the AFL's constantly evolving interpretations.
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Mike Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #4

Mike
RM: the kick was awarded as a certain goal because Ray Chamberlain doesn't actually know the rules, but does like to be the centre of attention.
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Fre_DOh Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #5

Fre_DOh
I blame Eric Mackenzie.

This is the St Kilda one from the week before...
www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-16/deliberat...s-rule-on-the-agenda

A quick look through my archives shows that Mackenzie has always played fast and loose with the deliberate rushed behind / out of bounds rules.

Check out this one...
www.afl.com.au/video/2014-07-12/bizarre-rushed-behind

And don't get me started on this one...


If he tries that again he'll definitely get pinged for it.
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somethingstupid Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #6

somethingstupid
All of the above arguments are completely valid.*

I still thought it was a very poor decision from Spurr. With the deliberate rushed behind a hot topic of debate, esp. after the Mackenzie one from the week before, it was obvious that the umps would be gunning to show that they're on top of the rule. I wasn't in the least bit surprised when, rightly or wrongly, the deliberate was called. I already had my head in my hands before the whistle went to mouth.

*In fact, watching the vision again, I don't think Mackenzie was under less pressure than Spur. With Spur there were three Freo players (inc. Spur) to one Richmond player, whereas Mackenzie had three St Kilda players right on his tail, and all four running at high speed.

I considered Mackenzie's an obvious deliberate, but really, according to the rule as it currently stands, which gives benefit to the defender and has pressure as an exonerating circumstance, it was fine to pay it as a rushed behind. According to that same rule, Spur's should also be considered a legitimate rushed behind.

No doubt, therefore, that the umpires have been massively inconsistent here, and are pushing the interpretation of the rule closer to the deliberate OOB rule, where there's an onus on the player to keep it the ball in play. But I still think Spur was taking a massive risk in kicking it through, given all the coverage the Mackenzie (and other) case got. Supposedly, the umpiring department even sent a memo to clubs explaining that they'd "got it wrong" on those earlier instances.
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Dockermus Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #7

Dockermus
My first thought, watching game as it happened, was that Razor Ray was auditioning for the GF senior maggot role. He probably earned his spot on Saturday night's performance, although raising his arms to milk the crowd reaction was maybe a bit over the top.
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rogerrocks Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #8

rogerrocks
There was one I saw on the weekend, can't remember which teams, but the player concerned was wearing yellow. He was deep in defence, and really wanted to get the ball over the goal line, and he actually ran into one of his own players. Had to fend him off to get the rushed behind. But the umps didn't think that was worth a free goal to the opposition.
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Raglan Matt Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #9

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I'm glad you said supposedly sent a memo SS as 2 coaches, Brisbane and I'm not sure who else denied that they had been informed of a "crackdown". The umpires "advisor" or "coach" or whatever he is also denied that there is a crackdown, just that the rule is being enforced. He just forgot to add the word selectively to his statement. It seems that Freo always ends up the club that bears the brunt of these enforcements of the rules, while others waltz along happily, unpunished.
I would have liked the sycophantic little interviewer to have asked the question I posed above, " Why was the Richmond mark not set at the goalpost as the rules require, seeing as how your umpires are enforcing the rules as they are written?" or was Ray so happy that he got to enforce his law of the week, he forgot about the rest of the book, including holding the ball and incorrect disposal.
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rogerrocks Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #10

rogerrocks
In the history of the game, this free kick has been paid how many times? And two of them against us - Dodd and Spurr.
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RideoftheVagaries Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #11

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I did half raise an eyebrow about Luke Ball being given Campbell's old position as head of umpiring. Not that I'm thinking there'd be any grudges brought to bare or anything like that, but old Rossco's not gaining any allies in the umpiring department that's for sure.
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DockerKnockers Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #12

DockerKnockers
If umpires would just umpire according to the written law we wouldn't have these problems.
When I say "these problems", I mean allowing poor inconsistent umpiring to be excused under the banner of "rule changes" and "changes in interpretation". The deliberate rushed behind written law hasn't changed for many years now (since it's introduction in 2009). The umpires application of the Law has.
As the Law is written, Spurr's should have been a free kick. McKenzie's the week before should have been a free kick. Many others every week should have been called a free kick. Everytime a defender "intentionally" rushes a behind it should be a free kick.
There is nothing in the Law regarding if the defender is under pressure. An umpire only needs to determine if the player intentionally rushed the behind. If it's not obvious if it was intentional, then benefit of doubt goes to the defender.

15.7 FREE KICKS – DELIBERATE RUSHED BEHIND
15.7.1 When Awarded
(a) A Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player from the defending
Team who intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football
over the attacking Team’s Goal Line or Behind Line or onto one of
the attacking Team’s Goal Posts. In assessing whether a Free Kick
should be awarded under this Law, the field Umpire shall give the
benefit of the doubt to the Defender.
Gone to bigfooty where there's fewer Docker Haters.
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rogerrocks Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #13

rogerrocks
So aim near the point post, and claim that your "intent" was to get it out of bounds. Out of bounds? No. Intent to force it over goal line? No. No free kick.
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pollyanna Rule Changes 7 years 11 months ago #14

pollyanna
By the letter of the law, any defender who touches a ball (to force a behind) without being under pressure should give away a free. That includes big guys who jump up to make contact before the ball crosses the line.

There would be heaps of these every game.
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