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TOPIC: Why have a coach

The Prince Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #29

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RoLy is deflecting blame by pinning it on "summer" when he is out of the office.
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rogerrocks Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #30

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But Ibbo is playing a totally different role to last year. Its hardly surprising he looks all at sea.

And as a rule, every player looks good when the team plays well, and its bloody hard to look good when the team is struggling.

For what its worth, at times, like just after half time yesterday, the players did take the game on. And looked good until they stopped. Much as I'm not enjoying watching this, I assume Roly has a plan. But apart from seeing some the young guys perform, I'm really not enjoying it.
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Noddy Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #31

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We didn't have a very strong deep list and have lost key players this year, what part of this don't people get? It's bizarre to be gunning for the coach, when we have some young guys coming through who could take us forward.
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RideoftheVagaries Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #32

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You need to be a little cautious reading too far into the future with what you see now. Melbourne (and Paul Roos) have been pilloried over the past year for a static game style and looking absolutely out of step with the modern game, even as late as this season. But they're all of a sudden being praised for dynamic, scintillating footy.
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RideoftheVagaries Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #33

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Oh yes he has, oh no he hasn't....
I've seen Barlow make plenty of poor decisions this year, choosing the wrong options to kick or handpass to, turning back into congestion and away from options that could open the play up. Could just be the reason why he's not getting a game and is out of midfield favour, I know it doesn't sit well with the conspiracy or stupidity theory that you have, but there you go. I'm not arguing he should stay out, but that he might use the time in the WAFL he's been given to get his mojo back.
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ADWFREO Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #34

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So ROTV based on the assessment of Barlow who actually knows how to get the ball - something of a basic requirement for a successful team....How do you explain the continual selection of Sheridan - who rarely gets it and when he does butchers it?

Are they trying to get heaps of games into him so they can create a diversion of large games played stats to avert attention from over looking Brad Hill in the same draft (we could have had the modern day version of the Krakouer brothers).
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snoop Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #35

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And another one that gets me - Kicking out from a behind.

60% of the time we chip 25m out to the pocket to a player that stops, looks, looks again, doesn't see anything, goes back and either kicks long up the line, or chips back across goal to another stationary player. The other 40% it's a long bomb towards the wing where our ruckman is, in a pack contest.

Surely we have a full team game plan for a kick out, it's a set play. But all our guys fan out across the 50m line then stop and wait for the ball to come in.

Been doing it for ages.

Am I missing same deep, amazing component of a game plan that is not evident to a mere mortal such as me? I hope so.
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snoop Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #36

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rogerrocks - what is Ibbo doing this year that he wasn't last year? Saturday Spurr was starting loose in defense, I assume ready to double team Reiwoldt. Ibbo was defending 1-1. Wasn't working, Ibbo was in slow-indecisive-ineffective mode.

Does a coach look at the talent he has available, then create a plan to use his resources in the most effective way? Or does he figure out the best plan, then mold/change the resources to fit the plan? Neesham did the latter.
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RideoftheVagaries Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #37

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ADWFREO, apart from the fact I have no part in either selection decision, nor am I particularly advocating one way or the other on their respective places in the side, I'll have a go at your question.

You could say that most selection controversy from a supporter perspective is generally overblown. Watching footy as a fan tends to be a highly emotional experience and we get exaggerated opinions and perspectives, especially on our favourites and on our goats. Some players for one reason or another become lightening rods for fan dissatisfaction, where they become a safer place to vent on and clearly Sheridan is one of those.

Sheridan is more a cog, certainly at this point of his career. So a lot of what constitutes his job out there is unspectacular and can easily go unnoticed. But being a goat in the backline, when he does stuff up, which I don’t think he does anywhere near the extent that is perceived, it can seem like those are his only involvements, so they tend to stand out like goats balls.

His good stuff tends to be overlooked or written off too, like the courageous semi-pack mark he took the other day and followed it up with decisive play and hitting a target. I think people tend to forget he’s still in the early stages of his development, with last year being the first as a regular in the side.

I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he wasn’t playing, but by the same token I don’t think it’s all that reasonable to suggest it’s outrageous that he does get a game.
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Corporal Agarn Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #38

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ROTV saying Barlow has made bad decisions this year is reaaly rather ironic. Name me a player in this disasterous season that hasn't.
Each time he plays as a midfielder he has got 30 or more disposals. Even taking into account that say 10 of those don't hit a target he's still doing better than Suban and Sheridan if they don't turn it over at all which in their and any player's case never happens.
I know he's not the answer to our problems but not to play him or De Boer on the weekend was crazy. Did you see his stats for Peel? That would have to be the most dominant individual performance seen in the WAFL . Only comparison in recent history woulld be Krakoeur in GF a few years ago. And let's not forget although Krak's game was one for the ages, Barlow's effort was in terrible weather conditions.
Lachie Neale has been a shining light for us this year and his main criticism is his poor disposal. Very similar, plus he needs some help in there.
Perhaps you think the selection of Clarke in front of in and unders like Barlow and De Boer was a good idea?
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RideoftheVagaries Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #39

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Corp, not ironic (by definition ;-) ), just an observation and as I said, he wasn't an orphan, but as a senior player he might be held more accountable for his decision making than younger players and is definitely an area he could improve of late (along with others), as well as a potential explanation for his time at Peel. Wasn't commenting on his disposal either.

I understand people want someone who's more responsive to be the punching bag for their selection outrage and it doesn't bother me if I become a target for that, but really, I'm not advocating the solution of leaving Barlow out or selecting anyone else in his place.

At this point for Freo, selection decisions should also be viewed in the context of what the broader picture might be beyond the short-term. Sure winning will be part of the mix, but sitting Barlow out for a round or two might potentially have greater long term benefits, for both himself and the team.
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demo1 Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #40

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This post reminds me of listening to Lukey Mac in the Pre season. He was asked about his high flying marks and ability in one on one contests.
He made a joke of it and mentioned something along the lines of "Oh that was back when I was allowed to fly for my marks"
I think that sums Ross up. All flare is effectively beaten out of a player and you must do the team and percentage thing each and every time.
Maybe players get a little jack of that after a while??
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RideoftheVagaries Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #41

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demo1, I don't think that's a Ross thing in particular, but more a consequence of an ultra defence focussed game style, so it's not that it's beaten out of them, but slowly drained away as it becomes more and more about risk aversion, rather than benefits of risk.
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Flag_2005 Why have a coach 7 years 11 months ago #42

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I'd argue that if more of our blokes did the team and percentage thing this season we might not be 0-9.
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