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Morgan Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #15

Morgan
For what it's worth, I'm not a fan of umpire bashing either. I don't know a great deal about umpire talent pathways, but one way to improve umpiring decisions would be to improve the quality of umpires by encouraging more to take it up, keeping those who give it a crack, developing those with talent, and then promoting and training those at the elite level. I gave umpiring a crack at my junior club as a nipper, and I thought it was ok, but the abuse you copped from the sidelines was pretty feral, and I sensibly decided there was a better way to make a quid. I'd make a terrible umpire (I'm too mouthy), but if that cycle repeats itself enough times, it's not hard to see that you are reducing your talent base.

Does what happens at the AFL level trickle down to local levels? I don't know, but it can't help. If it was up to me, I'd take a zero tolerance approach for players mouthing off at umps (like rugby). I'd ban coaches for mouthing off at the umps in press conferences. I'd instruct peanuts like BT to stop trying to make celebrities out of umpires. They should basically be anonymous as possible.

I'd also make the umps professional, and, where possible, use the best umps for multiple games on a weekend. If you pay umps money, perhaps you incentivise people to give it a crack, and incentivise the AFL to monitor their performance more.

But, in my view, the umps are up against it. AFL rules are incredibly subjective, and constantly changing - and that's before you include 'points of emphasis'. Plus, with three out there, if one makes a boneheaded call, you find the others making the same boneheaded call for consistency. Then, if one gets missed, the crowd goes feral. It's a really, really tough gig.

That said, bad decisions affect the outcomes of games, so you can't blame the punters for having a crack. And if you can't have a crack on a footy message board, then where can you?

But my thinking is that it's better to save the pitchforks for those that really deserve it, and umpires are actually out there trying to make the sport better, which is more than most of us do. .
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thegeniusthatis Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #16

thegeniusthatis
Certain umpires keep getting certain teams. I believe familiarity with one team's players and style of play could influence both negatively and positively, and it might inflate and deflate certain free kick discrepancies. The umpires we repeatedly get are clearly of the opinion that we are lowly skilled and reckless in intent - unfortunately not much has happened this season to alter this perception. Yet, it is this bias that presupposes a majority of our decisions / non-decisions. First half last week we received frees - our tackling intensity (a different skill set than both marking and elite kicking) was ferocious, but tackles stuck. Would we receive questionable marks, arm chops in marking contests, ruck infringements and high tackles as regularly as the more skilled teams out there - no chance, that is a different skill set that we are perceived as lacking.
There needs to be constant revising of which umpires officiate which games simply for equities sake. The fact this doesn't happen breeds conspiracy theories, and with some justification.
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Dockermus Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #17

Dockermus
Our endless complaints about umpiring always seem to revolve around perceived bias, or inconsistency/incompetency, when really, the issue is a lot more to do with a persistent misunderstanding of the actual role of the umpire.
Let’s be clear. Umpires are not authoritarian style soccer or rugby style referees.
AFL umpires are not expected to preside over the game from a truly neutral point of view and therefore make decisions that strictly enforce the rules of the sport (including sportsmanship decisions).
Umpires, by the AFL’s own admission, are expected to “adjudicate” footy games.
The laws of the game are chock-a-block full of grey areas, meaning that applying the rules is always subject to arbitrary interpretation, of degree or timing, and it’s the responsibility of the umpires' director, an AFL employee, to set precedents, or re-interpretations, or re-imaginings.
In other words, the AFL ‘guides’ or ‘facilitates’ the ‘direction’ of the game and the way they want to see it played, through the umpires, as it suits them. And the AFL is hopelessly conflicted.
It seems not to be particularly interested in open, fair-minded sports governance, because such considerations impact on it’s ability to turn a profit.
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DockerKnockers Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #18

DockerKnockers
The holding the ball / incorrect disposal Free Kicks, paid and not paid, are often the worst and I don't believe there are any excuses for it. The laws regarding these free kicks are already very specifically detailed (Refer Law 15.2.3). Excusing an umpires poor decision due to their "interpretation" of the law is just giving bad umps an easy out.

If an umpire can determine if a tackled player had prior opportunity, was tackled correctly, made a genuine attempt to dispose of the ball immediately and disposed of it by handball or kick then they should be able to make correct decisions. I don't believe any of those determinations are that difficult, nor are they that open to interpretation.
In chillieater's example of umpire's interpretation; Imagine a player running through the midfield gets run down and tackled from behind, spilling the ball in the process , if the tackle was a legal correct tackle, then that has to be a free kick for holding the ball. The player has obviously had prior opportunity and it was incorrect disposal. The laws, as written, are very clear.

If the AFL really wanted umpiring to be accurate and above board, they could very easily produce 50 short video clip examples of each type of Free Kick, test all their umpires, and make sure they consistently get the correct decision at least 90% of the time. Then make those clips available to all the AFL clubs, the public and the commentators so they also understand what is and is not legal, according to the written laws of the game.

But, the results of games can be strongly influenced by umpires. I think the AFL believe it's in their best interest to have some control of game results. Very accurate and unquestionable umpiring takes that control away.
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Raglan Matt Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #19

Raglan Matt
Yes DK, regarding your first paragraph, it is the tackle free kicks that Freo are very much on the wrong side of the ledger with. And it is not the way the tackle is applied either, go through the Hawks Freo game and see the way the umpires changed their decision making towards Freo in regards to holding the ball/incorrect disposal from the 1st quarter to the last 3 quarters. As mentioned earlier the Hartung case in the 3rd quarter was a blatant error of umpiring, but nothing is said or done about these perceived biased decisions.
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Docker by the Sea Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #20

Docker by the Sea
Have watched whistle blowers a few times on AFL website and remarkably we rarely feature in the questionable decisions.
I read an article this afternoon based around the interpretation of deliberate out of bounds and an incorrect decision in rd6 against the Roos was still worthy of mention.
Could the level of outcry in both the media and talkback radio possibly have any influence on the umpires motivation to award free kicks. I have read several accounts from different sportspeople about how this influenced them throughout their career.
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pollyanna Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #21

pollyanna
I used to like bagging the umpies - I freely admit to giving them forceful advice as loud as I can. But I've kind of taken my focus off them this year. It's pretty tough yelling at the traffic cop when Godzilla's crushing your team in front of you.
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rogerrocks Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #22

rogerrocks
You might remember there was a bit of an outcry about the umpiring in the Kangas/Wet Toast final at Subi last season. The reason is that unlike most games at Subi it was televised in Melbourne so the Victorian footy public got to see ithe bias up close.

My sister lives in Melbourne, and she said that only two Freo games were shown on tv a couple of seasons ago. Ignorance is bliss.
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