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rogerrocks Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #1

rogerrocks
Wonder why the Eagles win at Subi? Just look at the second video for a classic decision. This sort of home ground advantage is ruining the game.
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Raglan Matt Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #2

Raglan Matt
It aint home team umpiring mate, I don't see Freo on the receiving end of many like that at Subi. That is just plain incompetence, or plain bias, take your pick.
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purplethai Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #3

purplethai
OK - I realise this comment will have me banished to the waste lands never to post on Dockerland again... But...
I am tired of hearing umpire bashing- when I watch games (unfortunately on TV) I reckon they get at least 95%, probably more, correct.
Every club has fan pages that lambast the umpires for bad decisions - even when they are playing each other
These guys go out each week and put in a sterling effort in a game that has nuances and interpretations they are making hundreds of split second decisions during a game and, I believe there accuracy is incredible.
To even consider that they are un-proffessional, bias, or incompetent is truly insulting to a team of guys and girls who go out each weekend and make this great game possible
Sorry stop whinging about umpires and look at why we give away so many free kicks
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embee Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #4

embee
There was 3 seconds left in the quarter on the Bruce deliberate decision

Just the umps giving the "deliberate!!!" screaming nuff nuffs a small taste of satisfaction
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ChilliEater Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #5

ChilliEater
You make fair points there purplethai - I think the problem with AFL umpiring is that the rules are so open to interpretation. Imagine a player running through the midfield gets run down and tackled from behind, spilling the ball in the process - the umpire has to make a split second decision which could be holding, play on or in the back. You could watch the incident back, whichever one of those decisions he made, and say he got it right. The Bruce one looks harsh, the way that rule is usually applied, but what else was he trying to do? He's not really trying to gather possession, he's looking to get it out of play, but 9 times out of 10 that would be a ball up.
I would argue that the issue is not about right or wrong decisions, it's about consistent decisions and that's where supporters get upset. Decisions your way look like the right ones, decisions the other way look mis-interpretted.
At a loose end one day, I decided to watch the first quarter of our PF loss to Hawthorn and analyse the decision making from the umps. I reckoned there were 20 decisions that could have been interpretted differently and still not been "wrong". 19 of them favoured the Hawks and 1 favoured Freo. I'm on the conspiracy bus ;-)
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rogerrocks Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #6

rogerrocks
Absolutely Purplethai, but in just the same way that our highly skilled professional players go out there every week and make mistakes and turn the ball over, so do the umpires. But the umps failings have a bias towards home teams. Not always, but mostly.

The thing I noticed about the first half of last season was how nice the umps were to us. Fyfe was given half an hour to break a tackle. I can't remember other specifics, but I did enjoy it. Then it stopped...

But you have to wonder why teams are so bad away from home. Sydney would have thrashed Richmond in Sydney, but because its in Melbourne, its a close game. Travel? Well, I hardly think a 1 hour flight in the same time zone counts as travel. I reckon its the umps. I only wish I has the energy and expertise to do the stats...
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demo1 Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #7

demo1
purplethai - you have lime green in your robe dont you?
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FD1016 Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #8

FD1016
Doesn't everyone Demo?

Damn...
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bpurple Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #9

bpurple
I like the NRL approach, generally not a lot is said about the umpiring but when a coach comes out and questions a Ref's decision/s or performance, then the NRL have a look at it. They investigate weather the coach is just a whinging knob or if he has a point that is valid. Depending on the severity of the stuff up by said official determines weather he is sent to umpire one of the lesser games of the next round or ejected back to the magoos, to gain more experience and mend the error of his ways.
In this situation Accountability is what it is all about.
They also do not piss about with major rule changes every year just to justify there jobs or pretty the game up. The majority of rule changes, and there have not been many over the last decade of NRL, have been to protect players from dangerous tackles.
In this situation Continuity and confidence in applying the correct ruling is what it is all about.
Crazy game but they have got some things right.
The AFL have fallen into the trap of trying to create an "even" competition, meaning all teams are at about the same level overall all of the time. The regular major rule changes reflect this attitude the AFL has. This is of course an impossible pipe dream and the more they introduce rules to speed up, then slow down, then speed up the game again, the more ridiculous a task it will become for the umpires to adjudicate.
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Balls Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #10

Balls
Could not agree more about the rules being very much open to interpretation. I have been spouting the wisdom to mates all year. As the rules stand no one could get it right every week. Simplification is required, drastically, in particular; what constitutes high contact and holding the ball/incorrect disposal. I really think the day will come when you can not take possession of the ball whilst not on your feet and also contact is only judged as high if the initial contact is high. The ducking rule should also be changed to 'dropping' to encompass those that tend to drop and turn we getting possession as well as those that duck.
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Raglan Matt Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #11

Raglan Matt
The problem with the AwFL is that if a coach or club official wants to question the umpiring, they have to go to their bank manager and arrange some serious finance first. The AwFL doesn't want anyone criticizing umpires, so the status quo remains. Freo do get more of the dodgy decisions, along with Port and the Bulldogs used to but have fallen into favor now. As is said many times, we can all live with bad decisions, but not 2 interpretations of the same rule in the same quarter. Have look at the replay of the tackle on Hartung just after D Pearce hurt his leg. 3rd quarter I think, then compare it with 4 or 5 tackles on Freo players in the same quarter.
If the rules are too open to interpretation and variables, simplify the bloody rule book. It's not rocket surgery, and would make the umpires job much easier.

1 If tackled, and you don't handpass or kick the ball you are penalized.
2 If tackled above the shoulders or below the knees, or without the ball, you receive a free kick.
3 If you control the ball after taking it untouched from a kick that has travelled more than 15 meters, it is a mark.
4 If you push some one in the back, it is a free kick against you.
5 If you duck into a tackle and fail to dispose of the ball by hand or foot it is a free kick against you.
6 If you deliberately force the ball out of bounds within 15 meters of where you disposed of it free kick against you
7 There is no prior opportunity.
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The_Yeti Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #12

The_Yeti
Its all very PC to criticise those who question the umpires but in a sport as compromised ethically as the AFL, it is frankly unreasonable to expect anything else.

When one ump can ignore clear violations and have a 17 - 1 free kick count in favour of a team he supports then questions are going to be asked....quite properly. The great shame is that its not an isolated example.

We all acknowledge the need for professional umpires but we should also acknowledge that umpires, by definition, are unbiased and even handed. There are a few wearing yellow or green this weekend that just do not identify with that definition.
Egurls Suck!
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lavo Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #13

lavo
Having full time umps might help. The comp had full time players years ago, why aren't the umps the same?
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shane Home team umpiring 7 years 11 months ago #14

shane
You don't want umpires wandering the streets all day telling people off for jaywalking and not using the recycle bin; or writing letters to the local council about how their neighbour had planted Western Calothamnus Homolophyllus street tree when the guidelines specifically stipulated they were to plant the Southern Calothamnus Homolophyllus.
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