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TOPIC: MRP Still Mystifying.

guy smiley MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #29

guy smiley
You've outlined the two main problems Morgan...

ex players given a gig outside their ability within an inadequate system,

and lawyers.

Sorry mate. Build a system the removes both. Clarify the consequences of going outside the rules. If that results in a missed game then there's no challenge available. Cop it. High contact? Automatic week off. Intentional high contact? Automatic three. Definition of high? Easy, above the shoulder.

Bang. Sorted.
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shane MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #30

shane
Morgan thinks the right decision was made, not on technical grounds, on 'handbag stuff' grounds.

So the system must be working.
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guy smiley MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #31

guy smiley
I forgot to mention optional firing squads and dawn hearings.
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embee MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #32

embee
The last bloke to elbow a Freo player with insufficient force to cause injury (despite the cut cheek) got a Brownlow

Get your money on Diarrhoea to take home Charlie
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Morgan MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #33

Morgan
'Handbags stuff' is a measure of impact. Ballas hit was at the higher end of handbags stuff, just shy of 'a bit of a whack'.
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Fre_DOh MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #34

Fre_DOh
Sorry Guy, that system will never work.

If every high contact drew a week off penalty, you'll encourage duck season like never before.
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guy smiley MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #35

guy smiley
That's what the firing squads and dawn hearings are for.
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prefect MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #36

prefect
Are you guys seriously trying to find a way to make the MRP fair??

When you're done the UN will probably like to talk to you about a little Israel/Palestine issue that's been causing a bit of a stir..
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Raglan Matt MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #37

Raglan Matt
Morgan your system sounds good until the interpretations come into it. These seem to always see Freo players going over the threshold of intentional, medium, reckless or whatever. However when hit, the opinion of the MRP seems to be the opposite. Fyfe has been twice suspended for high contact, and neither time was it intentional or above low impact. Ballas came off bleeding from the mouth, so it should be the MRP's responsibility to prosecute Duryea, not Ballas or the Freo medical staff. The MRP seem to take plenty of notice of various media commentators when Ballas, Suban, Fyfe, Crowley and co get anywhere near an opponent, why don't they use the media vision as well as sound in their investigations. No-one is arguing the right or wrongs of the penalties handed out. What they are arguing is a perceived and/or actual bias at the MRP. Freo is not the only side harshly dealt with, but we seem to be more often harshly dealt with.
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The_Yeti MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #38

The_Yeti
Its more than just interpretations that come into it.

The MRP does not review games. It reviews incidents referred to it by the AFL. This has been discussed before. If they had to review every game,the panel would need to spend, at 2 hours playing time per game, a minimum of 36 hours uninterrupted viewing, plus of course time on and replay times for incident reviews. All that by Monday afternoon.

That simply will not happen.

So, a panel of former players, with links to some clubs and carrying their own playing days baggage, gets to look at incidents referred to them and if its not referred, its not reviewed. This impacts in several different ways.

First, if an incident is constantly highlighted by the media, it will get reviewed. A big thanks to channel 7 for highlighting some indiscretions and burying others.

The result of the review is also often dependent on the media stance but not completely. The AFL is nothing if not extremely tetchy about negative publicity and if the media is calling for your head or calling for 'common sense' to prevail, its amazing how that just seems to happen.

The you have the aspect of interpretation. These blokes get to decide week in and week out, whether an act is intentional or careless, as well as somehow measuring how much impact occurred. As we have all seen that interpretation can vary dramatically, especially when the AFL consistently refuses to be bound by precedent and that is a telling factor.

Having no precedents means you can decide what the rules mean week by week and not be held responsible for massive inconsistencies......how very convenient.

The MRP will never be consistent or fair until each and every one of those points are addressed, which to say it will never be consistent or fair while run by the AFL
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guy smiley MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #39

guy smiley
Outsource the MRP?

Brilliant. Consultative Performance Intergritists has just been born.
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The_Yeti MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #40

The_Yeti
I have no idea what an Intergritist actually is but I don't care.

Its such a great name, it needs to happen
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bpurple MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #41

bpurple
Precedence is one of the corner stones of the law at any level, even making judgement on punishing your own children. Its how levels of punishment are determined, if you remove precedent then I think fairness in principal goes out the window with it.
The classic example is when Fyfe was cited for electing to bump early in the season in 2014, commentary " I think that will be looked at, he has a case to answer"
Viney does an almost identical act later in the season and commentary " Gee that was brave, I don't think he has anything to worry about he was bracing for impact. Isn't he a great up and coming young player".
Two incidents almost identical with the Vineys victim coming off worse than the bloke Fyfe hit and Viney gets off. No precedent applied coupled with the media spin on the day and after = BS decisions. That's just one of many massive inconsistency's in rulings from those dorks with and without Freo players being involved. The worst in recent memory was when resident tough guy from Hawthorn, Hodge, tried to decapitate a Port Adelaide player using a goal post and his hip. The punishment was pathetic.
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smerf MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #42

smerf
The Yeti is spot on to identify the refusal to recognise precedence as a major fly in the MRP ointment. There seems to be as close to a consensus as dockerland ever gets that there is no perfect resolution to the vagaries and subjectivity or potential bias of the incident review system.
All everyone wants in lieu of a perfect system is consistency. I don't mind our blokes being penalised, softly, fairly or harshly, as long as someone from another team a few weeks later gets the same punishment for the same incident.
To my mind it is pointless to argue whether the new system is too legalistic or lenient or the old system is to subjective and prone to biased abuse of the process, or whatever, so long as you can't rock up with footage of a comparable incident and a precedent for penalty there will always be inconsistency, and it will continue to feel like we tend to get dudded by the MRP. Accepting precedent would force the system to apply consistently - it could be broken in other ways - different impacts may not be punished commensurately with resulting injuries, for instance, but at least the same broken system would apply to all the teams.
Maybe someone could explain why they refuse to acknowledge precedent?
The conspiracy theorist in me suspects that they secretly want a system they can game, like the fixtures, which is good for business - wouldn't want Juddy/Hodgey et. al rubbed out for the grandy would we? In which case nothing can save us, we have been cast in the villain role and will be made an example of.
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