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TOPIC: MRP Still Mystifying.

Docker by the Sea MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #15

Docker by the Sea
Is there not still a category for reckless if so I would suggest reckless medium to high impact. What is the point debating this we know it is complete and utter bull****. Ballas does the same two weeks end of story.
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rogerrocks MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #16

rogerrocks
I'm happy with careless, but surely its medium impact. But we all know that the MRP start with the penalty they want and then work backwards.
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monkey MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #17

monkey
How is it different to what Dawson did to Cameron last year, for which he got three weeks, down to two with an early plea?
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Corporal Agarn MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #18

Corporal Agarn
Another year, another load of unfair MRP decisions.

What time tomorrow do you think the club will go to the media about this and defend Ballas?
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Sunny MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #19

Sunny
Talking Footy tonight also questioned the MRP's decision on Duryea's elbow on Ballantyne. Similar incidents should have copped similar penalties.
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rogerrocks MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #20

rogerrocks
It looks like Blind Freddy, Morgan and the MRP are the only ones who can't see it.
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Raglan Matt MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #21

Raglan Matt
Especially when another 2 elbows to the head this week drew suspensions.

Melbourne had mixed fortunes at the MRP, with Jetta set to miss the Demons' clash against the Brisbane Lions for his intentional strike to Bontempelli's face.

Jetta, who threw his elbow during a scuffle, could yet seek to challenge the ban and argue his conduct was careless, which would result in a $1000 fine.
Boyd chose to bump Bugg after he'd disposed of the ball and followed through with a stray elbow to his opponent's face.

The incident was graded intentional conduct with low impact to the head
It seems that Ballas copped the only unintentional elbow for the week so his assailant gets off with a fine. What a joke. If Durea throws his elbow after the play has stopped it is surely intentional.
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thegeniusthatis MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #22

thegeniusthatis
I don't know. I agree with Morgan. When it gets really windy my arms flap all over the place, elbows here, elbows there, like Dean Cox at Mad Monday for the umpiring fraternity.
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Morgan MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #23

Morgan
In my view, you can attack an MRP finding on these bases: classification, precedent or 'the vibe'.

Let's tackle the first two together. Careless is the right decision. While Duryea deliberately tried to hit Ballas, it's difficult to say that Duryea deliberately hit Ballas in the chops (which is the part that leads to a suspension). He just swung behind him without looking, which is careless. The difference to the other elbows on the weekend was that all knew where the other players' heads were when they threw the elbow.

Dawson's suspension from last year is a good comparison. He dropped the elbow on Cameron pretty hard, but you can't say for sure he was going for Cameron's head. It was just careless - which is why the MRP also found Dawson's elbow to be careless.

The only contentious part is impact. The hit on Cameron was deemed to be 'high' impact, in part because Cameron had an enormous sook about it, and then ran around the field dressed liked a mummy. No doubt the GWS Doctor also dobbed on us. Ballas is made of tougher stuff, so neither he nor the club Doctor likely had as big a sook.

You could make a case that it should have been medium impact. None of us have seen the medical report, nor know how much it hurt, so we're all guessing. My guess: it's probably right on the line. I reckon Duryea was a bit lucky.

As for the vibe - that it doesn't seem enough of a penalty - I'm not sure that argument is very compelling for non-Freo fans. A non-Freo fan would have seen Ballas having a cheeky crack to a player exposed on the ground, that player reacting, and Ballas copping an errant elbow to the mush. A non-Freo fan would say that the vibe is that Ballas got more than he deserved, but that Duryea wouldn't have thrown the elbow back for no reason. I think it's fair to say there are few Freo fans on the MRP.

And hypen, I fear there may be people who actually want to strangle me so a photo probably isn't the best idea. But I like to be helpful, so here's an artist's impression.

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bpurple MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #24

bpurple
And therein lies the problem Morgan, the MRP are supposed to look at the facts and make a determination. What the players intentions were or his state of mind is irrelevant. The fact is as stated by the AFL, deliberate head high contact is to be punished to the highest letter of the AFL laws, to protect players from becoming zombie extras in "Game of Thrones".
Throwing elbows, fists or whatever at an opponents head, ribs or goolies is not in the spirit of the game. Our blokes get punished for it so I would expect, justice being blind and all, that the same standard applied to all teams players.
The soothsaying, mind reading druids employed by the MRP obviously see things differently. Special treatment for our blokes is not what we crave, just one rule for all. I would suggest the fact that Ballas had to leave the field holding his jaw with blood coming from his mouth and looking to be in some distress, that the impact was more than low.
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guy smiley MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #25

guy smiley
I'm with Morgan on this because he's across the technicality of charges.

I'm possibly repeating myself here but that's the problem with the MRP... they're too technical and there shouldn't be a place for lawyers or even doctor's reports.
Oversimplifying for illustration but it should be based on contact. Hit a bloke in the head, you're out. Do it deliberately, you're out for longer.... etc.
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freozoid MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #26

freozoid
Sandi 1 week from NAB Cup, WTF... penalised for being 211. nuff said.
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Morgan MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #27

Morgan
I completely agree the current system isn’t perfect – far from it. As I said, the MRP is basically making informed guesses about things like intention and impact. The problem is, we have the current codified system because the previous system was unsustainable.

The previous system resembled what you suggest Guy. It was a few former players sitting in a room, and deciding, without a heap of technical guidance, what sentence should be meted out if a bloke got hit outside the rules. If anything, it was more a chook raffle than it is now. The problem was, it degenerated into a battle of biomechanics experts and lawyers, as everything was challenged. It was getting farcical.

Then you had situations like Andrew Dunkley, where Sydney got a Supreme Court injunction against the AFL, on the basis that Dunkley would have been denied ‘natural justice’ if forced to defend his charge on such short notice. He played in the GF, and then was subsequently suspended for three weeks. If Duryea escaping a week is considered unfair, imagine how much you’d be spewing if a bloke beat us in a Grand Final because the courts intervened.

And that’s the problem – as much as everyone wants to keep the lawyers out of the room, they are always waiting in the wings, at the behest of the clubs that pay them, looking for an opportunity to exploit the system. Remember, if clubs exploit stretcher rules, look for borderline-legal PEDs and, in the Eagles case, probably teach their players how to duck, they’ll have no qualms about testing the legality of suspensions.

Which is why we have the technical, codified system we have, with rights to appeal etc. This wasn’t dreamed up by the AFL, it was a system written by lawyers, to protect the integrity of the AFL from the clubs’ lawyers.

Perhaps there is a better way, but I’m not sure going back to the way things were done before is viable.

It’s a shame, but I think the AFL’s hands are a bit tied.
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rogerrocks MRP Still Mystifying. 7 years 11 months ago #28

rogerrocks
So what you are saying, Morgan, is that a few blokes who used to play footy get together in a room and decide how many weeks they want to give, and then they reverse engineer it so that their "more objective" system produces the result that they want.

Well, if its lawyer proof, then I guess it will have to do.
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