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TOPIC: Our club is a disgrace.

Jezza Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #113

Jezza
Polly, the draft is a lottery. Have you forgotten Fyfe at Pick 20, who a lot of clubs missed out on. I think his development into a Brownlow Medallist is nothing short of sensational. And he's not turn 25 yet. So, putting it in perspective, you may get 1 maybe 2 that turn out to be gems in every draft. GWS, with their draft concessions, happened to strike gold.
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Corporal Agarn Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #114

Corporal Agarn
Not the lottery story again! We must buy our tickets from Widgiemooltha Newsagency.

And GWS just HAPPENED to strike gold? Nothing to do with good research, good recruiting team, due diligence?
Just good old dumb luck.
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Fre_DOh Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #115

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Agarn we've had a call from Widgiemooltha...you and Bondy owe them for last week's powerball draw.
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pollyanna Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #116

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I know we've got gold with Fyfe, Jezza - we've got others as well (Mikey, etc). My point was that GWS not only knew who to get, but were also able to develop them. They took Jarrod Pickett out of our back pocket the year before last, they added Stevie J (who is good for over 2 goals/game) and they have their eyes on 2 other WA kids for this year's draft.
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Docker by the Sea Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #117

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Fair go guy's to call our team a disgrace is a bit disappointing on our part, we have been top 4 for the last few years. Admittedly this year is a huge disappointment but there are mitigating factors now with injuries to key personnel. Yes the signs were bad before the injuries, but the injuries have meant we will not rectify the situation this year.
Let's face it,would we have been better finishing 6th to 10th or as we will, very close to the number 1 pick.
Some of the players we have picked up from ordinary draft positions are showing signs of being better than their draft position would suggest. There are very few first rounders let alone top 10's. With some poor luck around some of our high picks in Mora and Simpson. You could argue that Simpson was an error, but I think was worth the risk as a natural talent.
From other posts, seems Giants may be willing to deal for McCarthy. 2nd round pick sounds better than 1st round.
The club has obviously been aware that we needed to plan for this, hence the 5 years for Ross. Unfortunately they did not realise that it was going to happen as this year has unfolded. The truth is there are multiple clubs out there would grab Ross in a heartbeat, can't say there are many coaches out there that I would like to replace him with.
AFL is a tough gig over the last 3 years we have been better than 16 other teams. No we haven't been perfect and we can be better, but far from a disgrace.
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Fre_DOh Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #118

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Doc...Sea, obviously we're not a disgrace.

Obviously we would prefer to use a second round pick (rather than a first) to secure McCarthy.

Unfortunately we have already traded away our second round pick.

We'll need to do some nifty trading to replenish our second round pick cupboard or hope for some charity from the AFL in the event we lose players to Free Agency.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Drubbing Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #119

Drubbing
Copying GWS shouldn't be too hard.

All you need a bucket load of cash from AFL, The majority of picks in the draft, access to kids not yet eligible for the draft and any uncontracted player you fancy, and have cash to spare for marketing gimmicks like Folau. Throw in Sheedy for a kick start to add some cred.

It was always going to take a few season for a young team to develop, but they were given more than enough to work with.
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DockerKnockers Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #120

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Again, criticising Freo for not recruiting Rory Lobb is a bit rich.
Rory Lobb was taken by GWS’s 4th National Draft pick. They picked Cam McCarthy before Rory Lobb. Every club passed Rory Lobb.
Freo picked Michael Apeness before Lobb was snapped up by GWS and then we picked Alex Pearce with our next pick.
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timmeh Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #121

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Every phantom draft had McCarthy going to Freo. No one expected that with the number of talls GWS already had on their list that they would then pick up the two best talls in that draft.

If Chris Mayne was told to go searching in Free Agency, what would the potential compensation be? I think Clarke FA would be a 3rd round pick at most, but for a trade you could push some clubs to a 2nd round who are desperate for ruckman. He would be a position some would possibly be prepared to pay overs for.

I caught a brief moment of on the couch tonight where they were talking about geelong, they made mention of the way they set up on the wing particularly and the precise kick inboard which is what we were really good at last year. Simon Lloyd has clearly had an influence there, so again the qualify of assistant coach lost to Geelong hurts us.. The last time a freo assistant went to Geelong, they won the premiership...
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exceed Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #122

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What makes this disappointing is it was avoidable. The club over estimates where it is at. Squeezed far too much from its old players and totally misjudged the talent on its list ie not recruiting a ruck men and relying on an ageing sandi , workman like griffin and ageing , non event clark and ordinary at very best wafl player in Hannath.
It's relying on trying to land a kpp through free agency to solve its poor recruiting is diabolical and shows the complete lack of faith in its recruiters to find talls. Instead it took the easy option in over recruiting dime a dozen midfielders that my grandma could select.
Just poor and avoidable. A club that could not see it was going to fall short , failed to plan adequately or trade wisely.
Anyhow , sandi is back soon so hopully with pav can carry us thru the end of the year.
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expat Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #123

expat
Cockburn is just around the corner...
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DockerKnockers Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #124

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In 2013, when 211 was injured for a large part of the season, Griffin and Z.Clarke were doing quite a good job filling in. Freo also had Hannath just recruited in 2012. I’m not sure recruiting can be entirely blamed for 211 getting kneed by Nic Knee. 211 may well still play for another 2 or 3 years if he can get fit and stay fit.

Freo’s name has been linked to most of the the KPP trades in recent years. They have been trying to recruit without success. Most of those KPPs have stayed at their clubs. Freo has brought in Z.Dawson, & A. Pearce. Scott Gumbleton didn’t work out. Others such as Taberner, Apeness, and Collins are still yet to be determined. Some (including me) would argue it was only GWS’s stubborn ways that prevented Cam McCarthy from being on the Freo list this year.

In the midfield, Freo have recruited Neale, a great recruit, Bennell when fit likely to be great, D.Pearce has provided and now some of the youngsters are showing promise and yet to be determined, eg. Weller.

Apart from Forster, Duffy, Simpson & Wood who have been drafted (I've ignored Rookies) and then cut from the list, the rest of the drafts have shown enough to be a tick for recruiting.

I don’t understand much of this criticism, unless you're talking about recruiting going back before 2011. But then if you are going to be critical, then you should also acknowledge the wins, such as Fyfe.
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jimb2 Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #125

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Agreed on WA talent Polly. It turns out that once locals are ensconced in Melbourne and building careers they aren't keen to return to their skinny teenager haunts. Make sense when you think about it, doesn't it? This means that identifying local talent should be a high priority.

I should add that given our brilliant rookie recruiting we may be doing this ok already. Just need some good picks...


Personally I also like to see the club inviting local potentials to master class days with some of our boys on the first Sunday of every month to get them thinking Freo first.
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Dockermus Our club is a disgrace. 7 years 11 months ago #126

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Last comment on this topic, I hope...

Our club is NOT a disgrace.
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