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TOPIC: 2016 Draft

DockerKnockers 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #71

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When I read a post about how the Slime had recruited better than Freo, I asked myself, what would determine the success of a team’s recruiting? I thought I would look at the number of players recruited who played a game, are still getting games and the total games played. Surely that would be indicative of how well a team has recruited. That can be measured. The quality of a player and their future potential is subjective and apart from games played is hard to measure.
Given, generally speaking, half of a team’s recruits from a draft are gone or have never played a game in four or five years, that seemed a reasonable theory to me. Surely, if a team has recruited well, their recruits would have been getting games, versus being cut from the list?

So tell me why is that not a reasonable indicator of success?

Freo have 6 players drafted in 2011 still getting games. The Slime has 2.

Please enlighten me and point out which of those Slime players you think have more talent and future potential, even if that is subjective, I'm curious.
But I can give subjective opinion also. Like out of all those drafted by both teams, Lachie Neale is clearly the best of them all. A fit Harley Bennell will also be a clear leader.

The results of the last 12 months show that when we have lost our “gun half back” it has very little to no effect on our game results. If you believe different, show me the evidence. When we lose our “ageing ruckman”, yes it makes a massive impact because he is the best ruckman in the comp and the kick start of our engine room … the midfield … which I argue directly effects our chances of winning. But I'm not sure it's reasonable to blame recruiting for not have another Sandilands in the waiting.

I definitely was not seeing the same amount of negative draft and trade talk this time last year, when Freo was 6-0.
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Corporal Agarn 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #72

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Well the last paragraph's definitely not true. There are number of people here who have been talking about our poor recruiting of kpp's for a long time, let alone the start of last year.
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Derby12 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #73

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DK - Lachie Neale is great. No argument. Elliot Yeo is a fair talent though, and Redden is a quality grunt midfielder. I don't rate Wellingham, but he was a key part of what was a high performing midfield at Collingwood at the time. Jetta is pretty handy too ... Lee Spurr is a soldier. Love his work, but he is a role player. Bennell hasn't played a game yet. I too think he will be special, but given his background, both in terms of injury and off field behaviour, and our history of managing injury and players with off field issues, I don't think we should be counting our chickens just yet.

But at the end of the day, if you think that losing McFarlane hasn't hurt our side and particularly our defensive structures and rebound from the backline, then I think we are going to struggle to find any common ground in a discussion about football, let alone player value or drafting.
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fradonjan 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #74

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rumour has it that freo has offered jenkins from adelaide a four year deal,adelaide has only offered two?
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jimb2 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #75

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A team that is building from a low base will have more reason to play kids, maybe before they are quite ready. Over the last few years Hawthorn have been able to keep developing their players without playing them in the ones by virtue of a strong list and a couple of free agent top ups.
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bpurple 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #76

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If we could get Jenkins and Cam Mac that would be excellent. Good call J2 on Hawthorn, bringing top ups from other Melbourne clubs is easy for them. The trauma of moving your training base from one suburb to another must be insurmountable.
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Jebediah55 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #77

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Cam MacCarthy is a good get and will be cheap this time around. Josh Jenkin would be a good get but what will we have to give up? Whilst everyone talks about Lachie Neales value, his disposals kills us. Yes he should be our third mid behind Fyfe and Bennell but at this point there not there (mundy is needed on half back line), it shows that 35 disposals are meaningless if you dont hit a team mate at least 80% of the time! So we give Neale to crows for Mitch Mcgovern and Josh Jenkins. Along with McCarthy that gives us 3 ready made talls. And our first round pick this year protected.
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DockerKnockers 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #78

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None of the top 50 players sorted by disposal averages for 2015 had a disposal efficiency of 80% or more.
Jarrad McVeigh was the closest (ranked 45th, 24.2 disposals per game) with 79.9% disposal efficiency.
Lachie Neale (ranked equal 13th in the comp for disposals, 27.5) had a disposal efficiency of 75.4% (very high).
Fyfe (ranked 9th, 28.8) had a disposal efficiency of 69.4%.

(In 2016, so far, Lachie Neale is ranked 2nd in the comp, 32.6 disposals per game, disposal efficiency 68.4%)

If Fremantle are going to be competitive in 2017, they need 211, Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Hill, Bennell, Barlow and other midfielders firing. Trading Neale (unless he wants out) is a backward step.
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