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Quiexo 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #1

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Been following the draft a bit closer this year given that we'll more than likely get a high-ish pick, and it does appear that (depressingly) the kids that are touted as top 5 picks are all, *sigh*, midfielders (well, those not tied up with GWS' academy anyways). I'm intrigued to see what transpires from here...I mean, if we do end up with a top 5 pick, do we still go hell-for-leather for a KPP, even if there isn't one out there in the same ilk as a Jesse Hogan, or do we chase one of these talented mids like Sam Petrevski-Seton, who really does look the goods and hail from our side of the world? Glen Jakovich (who is involved with the league's elite academy development squads) seems to advocate for the later..
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Raglan Matt 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #2

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Bond will cop it if he doesn't draft Petrevski-Seton. It's the nature of footy critics.
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hypen 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #3

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www.effc.com.au/news/10254/training-update-josh-simpson
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demo1 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #4

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There is about 15 games to go in under 18 level not to mention the national championships. Im sure some big fella will stand up to be counted between now and then.
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dddocker 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #5

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If a team wins less than a certain number of games for the season doesn't it get a priority and the number 1 pick, like what amounts to the first two picks? This makes a difference re choosing who to pick and using a top ick for trade. Can someone advise me on this? Didn't this happen for the Saints? I might be out of date (no surprise).
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hypen 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #6

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You can make a submission to the AFL on the grounds of exceptional circumstances.

Last year Brisbane and Carlton both requested and were denied, it seems incompetence is not a valid argument.
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DockerKnockers 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #7

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Midfielders vs KPPs;

The statistical data strongly shows Fremantle are now struggling due to the performance of their midfield ... not their KPPs. Injuries to 211, Fyfe and Mundy has crippled Freo's domination (that was apparent in the first 14 rounds of 2015).

Prior to the recent interchange restrictions, Roly was able to continually rotate the midfielders to keep them fresh. Rarely would they spend more than 80% Time on Ground (TOG), while the KPPs and defenders would regularly be in the high 90% for TOG. Now with the interchange restrictions, teams need midfielders that can rest or be used in a forward or defending position. Mundy spent 95% TOG last week, the first time he has spent over 90% since Roly has been coach of Freo (2012). This is why I rated Bennell as such a great recruit for Freo. Midfielders capable of getting 30+ disposals in a game are very underrated. When/if Bennell is fit, he will be able to rest from the midfield as a dangerous forward.

So who does Freo have in terms of quality midfielders capable of getting 30+ disposals in a game. You have Fyfe, Neale and Hill as good quality young mids (Bennell when fit will join this group). After that you have Barlow and Mundy, both getting close to the end of their careers. That's it. The likes of D.Pearce, De Boer, Muzungu, Suban, C.Pearce just are not good enough to now produce 30+ disposals. The young players such as Weller have yet to show enough to tell us whether they ever will be good enough. GWS have the following players (all less than 190cm) capable of 30+ disposals; Shiel, Shaw, Coniglio, Ward, Whitfield, Scully, Greene, Griffen, Smith, Stevie J. That's why they now have the cattle to thrash Hawthorn ... it's not their KPPs ... 16 of their 24 goals last week came from those quality mids.

Again, I know it's trendy and popular to blame Freo's KPPs ... but that has very little to do with us winning or losing games right now. Add a fit 211, Fyfe, Mundy, Bennell and Freo would most likely be around the 4-2 mark or better.
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shane 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #8

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My understanding was that both teams have a cap on their interchange.
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Bizkit 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #9

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There are a lot of inaccuracies in that assessment. I would have thought slowing down the game with fewer rotations and players who are more tired would lead to a greater importance on KPP. Where previously RL tended to pick players like Sutcliffe and Sheridan because they could run all day and cover space, now teams get fewer players to contests and there's more one on one battles where KPP are incredibly valuable.

It's pretty hard to include Bennell as missing from the midfield and a part of our decline when he wasn't a part of it last season. We've only really been missing one mid in most games (Manic or Fyfe) but have still been belted. The fact our KPP are well under stocked are a much bigger factor (that and not playing Barlow in the middle much).

We have all of Weller, Blakely, Langdon, Tucker, Grey, Hughes and Balic as young promising mids coming through to join our present mids. With Pav unlikely to go around again it's even more important to find a top notch replacement.
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Bizkit 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #10

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Also that's not a great assessment of GWS. You are throwing in a bunch of small defenders and forwards like Shaw, Johnson, Greene and Smith but aren't doing the same for us. GWS also have strong KPP talent bringing those players into the game more, especially up forward.
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Gumnut 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #11

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I wouldn't be counting on too early a draft pick at this stage because with the return of injured players such as Sandilands, Bennell and Yarran plus the possible likelihood that our disposal efficiency may improve in the next 5-6 weeks and we come up against fellow cellar dwellers we may end up mid table. Even so if a chance did arise that Petrevski-Seton is available we must pick him.
Also worth noting is what GWS may try to extract from us as a trade for McCarthy.
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DockerKnockers 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #12

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What has changed with the interchange cap is midfielders who used to rotate through the interchange, are now more likely to rest on the ground. This now means that you need midfielders who can play other positions or players in other positions who can play midfield. Both of those scenarios now mean you need less KPPs and more utility type midfielders.

As previously posted, the statistical data very strongly indicates that Freo’s recent losses since Round 1 2015 are related to the fitness of the midfield, being, 211, Fyfe, Neale, Mundy, Hill, Barlow and D.Pearce. Round 1 to Round 14 of 2015, they were all fit and dominating. In 2016, 211, Fyfe and Mundy have had significant injuries. So has Bennell. I fail to see how any of that is inaccurate just because it differs to your opinion. During Round 1 to Round 14, Freo had injuries to KPPs Dawson, Johnson & McPharlin, yet Freo were still dominating. There is little statistical data to show that KPP’s have impacted Freo’s Win/Losses in recent history, but there is strong data supporting the impact the midfield has. Please feel free to show any data other than opinion to argue that.

Currently, none of those young promising mids have delivered anything yet to show they are capable of being regular 30+ disposal type mids. They are all tracking well below Fyfe, Neale, Hill or Bennell did at the same age and experience.

None of those young midfielders that you listed have ever yet had more than 20 disposals in an AFL game. Their results in the WAFL for number of times with 30+ disposals in a game are;
Weller 0 out of 20 games, highest disposals 27.
Blakely 3 from 34, highest 34.
Langdon 3 from 20, high 34
Tucker 0 from 3, high 22.
Grey 1 of 36, high 33
Hughes 0 of 27, high 26.
Balic – hasn’t even played a WAFL game yet.
Meanwhile, in 2016, the likes of Matt De Boer has had 4 games in the WAFL, 2 over 30 disposals with a game high of 36 ... better than anything any of those promising young midfielders you list have achieved ... and De Boer isn't good enough to be in Freo's midfield.

Listing them is an argument for my case, not yours.

That would be like me saying we don’t need KPPs because we already have A.Pearce, Taberner, Apeness, Hannath, Collins, Smith, Uebergang and Hurley.
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shane 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #13

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We don't need midfielder because if we 'add a fit 211, Fyfe, Mundy, Bennell ... Freo would most likely be around the 4-2 mark or better'.
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DockerKnockers 2016 Draft 7 years 11 months ago #14

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"Also that's not a great assessment of GWS. You are throwing in a bunch of small defenders and forwards like Shaw, Johnson, Greene and Smith but aren't doing the same for us. GWS also have strong KPP talent bringing those players into the game more, especially up forward."


I am of the belief that it is the midfield that brings the KPPs in to the game, especially the Forwards KPs. For example, in that game of 24 goals, Jeremy Cameron had 0 inside 50's and 0 Goal Assists. Stevie J. had 6 inside 50's and 1 goal assist. Stevie J. is a more than capable 30+ disposal midfielder.

Please do some research before so quickly dismissing what I post. Everyone of those GWS players listed are more than capable of producing 30+ disposals in a game ... look at their stats ... but no ... it's far easier to just be dismissive when it's not in line with your opinion.
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