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TOPIC: The Way Forward

Morgan The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #1

Morgan
Something I’ve been thinking about a lot these last few weeks is the question of how long people can be effective in their roles in an organisation like a footy club. Jeff Kennett is an idiot, but I thought one of his more sensible suggestions was that footy club Presidents should have a maximum of two 3-year terms.

The key off-field appointments at our club and their current terms are:

Steve Harris (President) – 6 years
Steve Rosich (CEO) – 7 years
Chris Bond (GM Football) – 7 years
Ross Lyon (Head Coach) - 5 years

How do you best balance continuity with change (with apologies to Selina Meyer)? The AFL has created a system predicated on a boom-bust cycle. You start at the bottom with high draft picks and (presumably) some salary cap flexibility, you bring in a bunch of talented kids and recruits who fit the age profile of your list, develop them as well as possible, and hope to make top 4 over consecutive seasons. A few shrewd moves in that period, and you might be lucky enough to ride the boom a little longer or snag a premiership. When you go past that peak, you either bottom-out and repeat the cycle, or attempt a Geelong / Sydney style mini-rebuild.

My thinking is that renewing the off-field team should coincide with the on-field changes. I consider the leaders of the footy club should stick around for the first hard year or two of the rebuild. They should make the tough calls that need to be made, put the club in as good a position as it can to maximise the rebuild, then step aside and let a leadership team with new ideas shape the club for the future. For Rosich / Harris, I consider they should stay until Freo has moved into Cockburn and Burswood, and then step aside. For Bond, I think this should be his last off-season.

I’m not sure about the coach. I can see the benefit in a new coach coming in with a bunch of new kids. There is a certain symmetry in the coach and the list growing together. That said, there are many sports where a coach/manager is given the opportunity to reinvigorate a playing list. If we really think we’ve got a top 5 coach in Roly, perhaps there is merit in giving him the opportunity to rebuild. My gut tells me he isn’t the man for that sort of role, but I have no real reason to think that. It’s something that has never been tested. Certainly his contract makes that call a little tougher.

Of course, the counter-argument to all this is that there is benefit in continuity – that the lessons learned in the last 6 years hold the incumbents in those roles in good stead to avoid the mistakes of the past. I think there is merit in that argument, but in this set of circumstances, I don’t find it particularly persuasive.

It seems the sentiment on here is that the Rosich / Harris / Bond cabal has probably run it’s race, but I’m curious for the views of fellow Dockerlanders on when they should step aside, and whether Roly should be given the chance to rebuild.
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shane The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #2

shane
You forgot to mention competence.
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guy smiley The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #3

guy smiley
Now you've done it.
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dddocker The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #4

dddocker
The previous 4 years have been pretty good under the current regime don't you think? OK the game has changed and that together with long term injuries to key players has left us struggling this part of the season. Knee jerk responses need to be curbed. Having said that who would you suggest replace the people listed and why?
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Jezza The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #5

Jezza
Since 2012, we've made finals and made top 4, three times. But we had a list with plenty of mature aged players and rookie listed types. IMO, that's a great achievement given the list. What helped was people like Rosich & Bond who, given the draft restrictions, made the best of available talent. So, I don't subscribed in apportioning all the blame on them. They brought in Roly, who effectively turned this club around. Now, why would you get rid of them now because we're 0-6. In fact, should we at season's end happened to snag a top end draft pick, and perhaps a couple of KPP, then we'll be in contention again. I see this period as not all doom and gloom.
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Morgan The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #6

Morgan
I wouldn’t consider this a knee-jerk reaction. I just think there’s a reason why Governments have term limits, and one of the best reasons is that after a while, you need a new mob to come in to challenge existing thinking, and also, in some cases, redress issues with balance.

As with most administrators, I think the Steves have done some things really well, and some things poorly. They pushed the club on a path of 'sustained success’ at all costs, but their successes weren't as successful as they would have liked, nor - as it turns out – as sustained. I think they can walk away from the club thinking they did a good job, and on many levels, they have.

But one way I consider they have performed poorly is in helping people feel connected to the club. In fact, they have actively belittled those who hold the club’s symbols to heart. It’s fine chasing new, shiny supporters when times are good, but when the club is up against it, you really need to embrace those members who are in it for the long haul. I don’t think the years of a rebuild will play to the strengths of the Steves. I think we’ve moved too far towards being a corporate, Eagles-lite club, and that balance needs to be reset. If everything is a rational decision, why would you turn up to watch a team lose? In short, if the club starts playing the ‘loyalty’ card over the coming years, I think I might spew.

Bond and Roly I’m more agnostic about. I wouldn’t get rid of either right now, but the question is when are you too long in a job? Certainly all parts of the football club seem to be in unison, and that’s a good thing, but eventually that can devolve into groupthink. Sometimes you need to chuck a rock in the pond.
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RideoftheVagaries The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #7

RideoftheVagaries
The Steve's are replaceable at this point, but just as easily you might ask "how much more damage could they do, really?", and from here on in they could just as easily go from lunch to lunch and press fluff pieces as long as the spreadsheet looks good and no one would notice.

I think Ross Lyon's brief changed radically this year due to him signing that extension and a 0-6 start, he's now been afforded more space to coach with more a mind for the future. I don't think you can fault how many of the kids he's played over the past few rounds and it'll be fascinating how he goes over the remainder of the season. People ask "is he able to rebuild?", which is a little farcical because shirley being a "rebuild coach" is one of the easier gigs to have out of the 18 available, plenty of time to indulge the footy you want with little immediate consequence. I also think Clarkson has a huge advantage in having been at the helm for 12 years or so, having shaped a team to be exactly what he wants it to be and knowing the list inside-out as it were.

As for Bond, I guess we wouldn't want him in charge of head-hunting his replacement, other than Shane who'd be secretly happy for him being firmly ensconced, given how much content he generates.
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freozoid The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #8

freozoid
Found this quote that I think partially sums up what you're on about...(?)

"Anyone who makes a significant contribution to any field of endeavour, and stays in that field long enough, becomes an obstruction to its progress – in direct proportion to the importance of their original contribution".
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RideoftheVagaries The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #9

RideoftheVagaries
"How much is enough?"
~ Albert Einstein (aka Tim Rogers)
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shane The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #10

shane
You better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone
~ Albert Einstein
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rogerrocks The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #11

rogerrocks
There are good counterexamples. Steve Jobs at Apple, Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore, FDR in the US. But I think these were exceptional people. The Steve's and Bond are not exceptional. Roly might be.

So basically, I agree. Time for the bosses to move on.
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shane The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #12

shane
If someone is doing a good job then I don't see the benefit of an arbitrary time limit.

I know you fear the subjective, God forbid someone make a judgement but there is a board of directors who have the responsibility to make these decisions.


If you look at what they administration have set out to achieve and the results then they are, by their own standards, as bad as achieving goals as the team are at kicking them.

They set out to grow the club. The club still languishes in the bottom half of the ladder when it comes to overall supporters.

They set out for sustained success. The club went up, didn't do enough, now they've fallen down again. No one seems to be talking like they expect the situation to be rectified quickly. It's exactly the scenario they tried to avoid.

They declared that we were in the business of winning premierships. The club has not won one.

They identified the need to recruit key position players to replace the ageing ones. Matthew Pavlich is still playing at full forward.

They planned long and hard to capitalising on the advent of free agency. They got Colin Sylvia and Danyle Pearce.

They jumped the gun on extending the contract a coach who is now 0-6. They could have at least knocked a few hundred thousand of the contract if they'd waited.
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The_Yeti The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #13

The_Yeti
Settle, Shane.

They also go Gumbleton through free agency and ..... oh wait...
Egurls Suck!
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somethingstupid The Way Forward 7 years 11 months ago #14

somethingstupid
To have an opinion either way, I'd have to have confidence in the idea that good corporate management translates directly into on-field success. It's hard to picture the precise points of connection (outside Bond and Lyon) between club executive and football operations.

Yes, undoubtedly some decisions/strategies coming from the club executive (sacrificing tradition for the benefits of new facilities; new marketing strategies to increase membership/attendance/merchandise sales; budgetary decisions about where additional spending can bring about the greatest improvements or advantages) will help lift or deteriorate on-field performance. But not really on a round-by-round basis

And if it all these improvements come back to money (arguable, I suppose), then surely you want to keep the executive team that keeps the cash rolling in. (NB. I'm not necessarily claiming that the current lot are succeeding in keeping the cash rolling in.)
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