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TOPIC: Coach Lyon

purplethai Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #71

purplethai
If we think holding our own in a preseason comp is a realistic indicator i think we might be holding our own
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Davo Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #72

Davo
If you want to talk about drafting talls -

Freo would have drafted McCarthy but GWS got him 4 picks in front so we drafted Apeness.

Freo also would have drafted Natainui but WCE had pick 2 so we settled for Stephen Hill at pick 3 instead of Daniel Rich.
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Freo66 Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #73

Freo66
Saunders
Shaw
Cameron

Rookie any of them 6 months ago.

Take your pick
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RideoftheVagaries Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #74

RideoftheVagaries
How about the minor premiership tea leaves? That a reasonable indication you might consider you're not so far off the mark purplethigh?
;p
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ChewyBoot Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #75

ChewyBoot
I would agree that Harves was more open to experimenting with his game plan. He'd try and implement styles of successful teams and in 2011, he was in part trying to copy the defensive pressure of St Kilda.

In the first half of 2011, when Fremantle's injuries were at a minimum, the scoring and game style reflected that.
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Morgan Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #76

Morgan
I think that’s selective memory Chewy. At the halfway point of the season in 2011, we were 6-5, and our best win was against North Melbourne (7th) at home. The teams we beat that year finished 15th, 11th, 7th, 9th, 17th, 14th, 15th, 16th and 10th on the ladder. Other than the North game, the only teams we racked up 100 points against for the whole season finished dead last and second last. We were flat track bullies, and not even really bullies.

I acknowledge you can’t use the second half of 2011 as a guide because of all the injuries. That said, people talk about Roly’s ‘gruelling’ style of play as if it’s a thing, yet are reluctant to attribute our late season injuries to Harvey. I’m not sure you can have it both ways.

First 11 Games

Round 1 Lions (15th) Gabba Win 94-92

Round 2 Cats (4th) Domain Stadium 37004 Loss 78-89

Round 3 Crows (11th) AAMI Stadium Win 79-54

Round 4 Kangaroos (7th) Domain Stadium Win 127-98

Round 5 Bulldogs (9th) Domain Stadium Win 85-78

Round 6 Bye

Round 7 Tigers (8th) MCG Loss 99-148

Round 8 Eagles (5th) Domain Stadium Loss 63-96

Round 9 2:40pm Power (17th) AAMI Stadium Win 142-90

Round 10 Saints (6th) Domain Stadium Loss 56-102

Round 11 Hawks (1st) MCG Loss 89-111

Round 12 Bombers (14th) Domain Win 98-64
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blockerhall Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #77

blockerhall
Do I really have to go print out the Losses from the second half of 2015 for people to see the trend? Minor Premiership or not, we were, and are, dead in the water.

I talk about the impact Rolyball has on players because we travel more than other sides, and it hurts us more.
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Davo Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #78

Davo
In that case, if we'd beaten Hawthorn in the PF, given how the Slime failed on GF day, we'd have been the 1st dead in the water team to ever win the flag.
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Drubbing Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #79

Drubbing
Well, we didn't and weren't. But even if we did, we wouldn't be the first team to fall over after failing at a GF.

Port lost one by 120pts on '07 and were a rabble the year after, finishing 13th.
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DockerKnockers Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #80

DockerKnockers
A look at the statistics since Round 1 2015, fairly clearly shows the impact that injuries has had on Freo.
(But, I fail to see any link to Roly's game plan for those injuries given the nature and timing of those injuries.)

In 2015, from Round 1 to Round 14, Fremantle won 12 of 13 games. Statistically speaking, Freo dominated most of those games and deserved to win, apart from Round 4 vs Sydney (they won by 14 points) and Round 9 vs Adelaide (Freo won by 11 points). They were the only 2 games which Freo did NOT win the Contested Possession stats.
Freo's midfield of Sandilands, Fyfe, Mundy, Neale, Barlow, Hill and D.Pearce were dominating.

In Round 15 vs Hawthorn, Fyfe was injured with a cork from Mitchell.
(It appeared that Fyfe never returned to full fitness or form from that point and it also appears that the broken leg in the Prelim later had a major impact on his 2016 form also).
Statistically speaking from Round15 in 2015, Freo's Contested Possession domination without the presence of Fyfe was no longer there, with Freo really only winning that stat easily at home, against the poorer performing teams (eg. Carlton, GWS and Melbourne). Fyfe was rested from Rounds 22 & 23 and returned for the Qualifying Final to have a major impact in that 9 point win vs Sydney. Fyfe was further injured in the Prelim which ended Freo's 2015 season.

Come 2016 Round 1 and Freo are missing 211 (and Johnno) and get a hiding. Round 2, with the return of 211, statistically speaking, Freo dominate the game, but suffer from a large number of costly turnovers and poor kicking and loose to Gold Coast. At this point it becomes clearer that Freo's reliable defensive style game plan has been tinkered with and is failing due to poor skill execution. Further injuries to 211, Mundy and Fyfe then mean continued poor performances in 2016 with further poor Contested and midfield statistics.

In summary, the results since Round 1 2015 until now relate very closely to the fitness of the Fremantle midfield. I fail to see any obvious trends between the first half of 2015 and later, other than the affects caused by injuries.
Gone to bigfooty where there's fewer Docker Haters.
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freofan61 Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #81

freofan61
Just for the record,injury-wise in 2011, the injury list between 31 Mar and 8 Apr that year was as follows -

Silvagni 1 week
Bucovaz 1-2 weeks
Hinkley 1-2 weeks
Ibbo 1 week
Barlow indefinate
Houghton 11 weeks
Schammer 2 weeks
Mzungu 10 weeks
Hayden 8-12 weeks
Ruffles indefinite
Morabito season.

Hill, Mundy, DeBoer, Ballas and Fyfe had interrupted pre-seasons .

Players injured in that year-

Ballas
Morabito
Ibbo
Hinkley
Silvagni
Suban broken leg
McPhee
Mzungu
Mundy broken leg
Sandi Turf toe
Mitchie
Clarke
Barlow Broken leg
Grover
Bradley
Bollenhagen
Faulks Rd 23
Hayden
Griffen
Palmer
DeBoer
Ruffles
Walters
Pavlich Rd 22
Roberts
Crichton
Shepheard
Fyfe

In rd 23 7 of the outs had 877 AFL games experience between them.

Always remember Harvey speaking of carnage in 2011 and it was.
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RideoftheVagaries Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #82

RideoftheVagaries
Given the only teams to beat us last year were the prelim finalists and Richmond (who also beat the premiers), I don't think we were that dead in the water. There was a pulse.
;p
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Catweazle Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #83

Catweazle
Anyons who thinks RoLy is enjoying some time off, taking it easy or just goofing off didnt see him with Bazzzzz tonight on 7.

Our coach looked dreadful - worn out and beaten up.
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Noddy Coach Lyon 7 years 11 months ago #84

Noddy
If Harvey was so good as some are suggesting, he would have picked up a coaching job by now.

Any comparison between Harvey and Lyon is ridiculous.

Some blokes realise being the head honcho isn't for them, I think Harvs is one of those guys.

Lyon isn't perfect, who would expect him to be, some here perhaps. But I think he's good comparatively to the other 17.

Can we get a thread going for whoever our next coach may be and those with a liking for bashing the coach can start early.
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