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TOPIC: Jack Watts

teasea Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #1

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just looking up his records. Now 25 debut 2009 - bloody hell! It's taken him just on 7 yrs to finally mature and he was a No 1 draft pick - what chance has Tabs got? Doesn't look like I'll see a GF.
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KingKepler Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #2

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Watts was drafted into the worst performing club in the last decade. They have been through a number of coaches and have been very unstable.

He's most likely improved as a player but it has become noticeable due to the overall improvement in team performance. Had he been drafted by Hawthorn I doubt very much there would have been much conjecture about his ability.
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ManInPurple Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #3

ManInPurple
I could be drafted by Hawthorn and probably be a premiership player in my first season, and I (strangely enough) look somewhat like all those doughnuts I've eaten over the years.
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Bizkit Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #4

Bizkit
Watts was also very skinny and needed to put on a lot of weight against the much tougher bodies of key defenders. That takes a lot of getting used to and isn't a problem Tabs has or an area for improvement as he came in with a mature body.

In addition to that Watts already had the skills but needed to adjust to the tempo and pressure of AFL football which he has now settled into. Tabs does not have any of those skills and struggles to mark the ball most days let alone to dispose of it.
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slammen Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #5

slammen
Just throw a medicine ball at Tabs for half an hour every day , he'll be clunking them in no time.
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ChewyBoot Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #6

ChewyBoot
Round 5, Watts has played his 120th game and Taberner played his 31st.

By that reckoning Tabs has got a couple more years of crap games to draw on before we can wonder if he's turned the corner.
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Derby12 Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #7

Derby12
Taberner is copping the same criticism from us that Watts copped from Melbourne supporters early on, and for the same reason - when you are expected to be a pivotal tall player a forward line from the beginning of your career, and you cop the best, experienced defenders and fight against team defense with little support from any other talls due to a combination of structures and list - well it's tough.

Gunston was the third tall at Hawthorn when he was developing, and was able to just focus on his game while Roughead and Buddy drew all the media and the defenders. That's a luxury Taberner doesn't have. He may not be a champion, but he could yet be very serviceable, but to keep playing, getting smashed, then getting dropped, is a slow and ineffective way to develop.

I feel sorry for him. It's going to be even worse for him next year. Even if we get McCarthy.
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hypen Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #8

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He'll be around Walters, Ballas, McCarthy, Yarren and Apeness.

He'll be fine. And so will Freo.
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Bizkit Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #9

Bizkit
That's not really true Derby12, they are very different players doing very different things in very different teams. Tabs was older and enjoyed a much more mature body when he made his debut which wasn't in his first season as a skinny 18/19 year old. Tabs wasn't instantly given the number 1 defender and still doesn't as he mostly gets the third behind Pav and the resting ruck. Tabs also didn't play in a complete basket case of a side who's finished bottom or near enough every season he's been there. In fact Tabs was in the side that won more games than anyone else last season!

They play very different games and Tabs was bigger on his debut than Watts is now. He's had plenty of time and opportunity for us and hasn't shown too much which is very disappointing. Making the comparison to Watts is clutching at straws and not a fair comparison in any way except for the hope he may someday show something for us. There's very little connecting the two.
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snoop Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #10

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Watts was number 1 pick in the 2008 National Draft.

Tabs was pick number 11 in the 2013 Rookie Draft.

Compare apples with apples and your own expectations.
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Docker by the Sea Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #11

Docker by the Sea
I think the camparason has merit. The tone of criticism is similar.
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moodindigo Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #12

moodindigo
I wonder if John K Watts is available next year?
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Derby12 Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #13

Derby12
That's exactly my point. Watts was no 1, Taberner was far from it. Yet he is being held up to similar standard of expectation - which I think was unfair on Watts anyway. I'm not Taberner's biggest fan - but it seems unfair that he should carry the burden of criticism because he is our only viable forward option (something completely beyond his control - cue: the great Bond debate) and subsequently expected to take over from Pav (one of the greatest who ever pulled on the boots).

Who is this mysterious resting ruckman that you speak of who draws the second best defender? I was under the impression we were running with a single ruckman and a decoy forward for the past few years.

You have to acknowledge it is hard work being a forward at Freo. We don't get many goals, they have to chase miles upfield away from goals. We talk about the decline in Pav's scoring, but his work rate is still phenomenal for a KPP - I am not convinced that his reduction in scoring is due as much to his age as the structures which see him spend so much time near the back half.

Drop Taberner into the Hawthorn lineup for 40 odd games over the last 2 years, and I reckon right now people would be talking about what a steal he was in the rookie draft.
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shane Jack Watts 7 years 11 months ago #14

shane
If Taberner is going to be played at full forward then he has to be AFL full forward quality. Where he was picked is irrelevant.

You don't get 8 points for goals kicked by late draft picks.
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