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TOPIC: Hooker Stays

Flag_2005 Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #85

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The money is irrelevant. I've said this previously in a similar discussion - the market determines the player's value (salary). So what if our offer would have catapulted him into the top 10 paid players in the comp.? Do we need a top quality CHB or don't we?

The biggest issue for me is the suggestion in some of the posts that we (ie. Bond) stuffed it up because 'he was interested in coming home'. All of the evidence revealed subsequent to him signing on with Essendon suggests the contrary.
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Morgan Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #86

Morgan
Guessing whether Bond did the right thing in his negotiations with players or other clubs is like judging someone for winning or losing a series of silent auctions. Sure, you can brand someone a loser if they keep walking away empty handed, but unless you know their bid, and the winning bid, it’s a pretty limited analysis. In this case, you’re relying on player agents and the media for your figures. You might as well be guessing.

Ask Collingwood how they feel about ‘winning’ Cloke’s inflated salary until the end of 2017. Or Sydney when they are paying for Buddy’s retirement against the cap for 5 years. How is Schultz’s back going? Would being at Freo have helped stave off Clarke’s depression? Aaron Black can’t get a game with North, would swapping a first round pick and loading up the dollars have helped Freo? Will Dixon’s attitude or ankles cause him to miss more games?

Maybe Bond has offered 10% over of what these players were worth every time, and another club has just offered more. Or loyalty has won the day. Does that make Bond a bad GM? Maybe Bond totally sucks. It's certainly possible, although the steves strike me as people who would throw someone like Bond under the bus if it tarnished their prospects for whatever next gig they're politicking to get. They haven't. Yet.

Evaluating Bond from outside the room is guessing. Some of you might argue it’s informed guessing, but if you’re only evaluating outcomes, I’d say it’s really not that informed.
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shane Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #87

shane
You don't need the details of what went wrong to know that something has gone wrong. Your premise seems to be that the position the list is currently in was an avoidable scenario.
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Down on down Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #88

Down on down
I'm just curious but has Hooker ever come out and stated he wanted to return home ??
Sure we may have offered him a financially attractive deal but he may have also wanted to be a one club player, and there is nothing the matter with demonstrating loyalty to your team, even if it is Essendon.
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Docker by the Sea Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #89

Docker by the Sea
Staring to think that free agency is going to be a tough ask for us to pull off.
Sounds like Hooker was serious about coming. Why else would he call Lyon personally.
Can't help but think that may have taken fright at our current situation, may well be a struggling club, if this is the case will McCarthy also get cold feet, GWS are looking very promising.
If we can't get the West Aussie boys home good luck with anybody else.
If the newspaper articles are anything to go by $500k had us in the hunt, but maybe not at a bottom 4 club.
Missing McCarthy last year may not be that bad though because I don't believe anybody would be happy trading a top 3 pick plus another For him. If McCarthy is still not wanting to go back to GWS we should hold fast because GWS are not in a strong position and we can go to the draft.
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KingKepler Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #90

KingKepler
We have lost our opportunity to top up our list through free agency by landing a power forward or defender. McPharlin has retired, Pavlich and Johnson will be retired before we know it. We needed a key forward alongside Pav between 2012-2015.

The best way to go is to exclusively draft talls with out first round picks for the next couple of years or trade these picks for KPPs in the 20-26yr age bracket.
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jimb2 Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #91

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Would a successful player earning a lot of money in Melbourne really jump at an offer that might be like 20% higher in WA and drop his club, friends, girlfriends, the bigger social and football scene in Melbourne?

I think we might be up against it unless the guy didn't like his life there or had other personal reasons for wanting to come back to WA. It's easy to us to fantasize up a story about a local boy returning, our great club, the lifestyle in land of milk and honey, the extra retirement cash, whatever, but we find that most of these potential targets are think they're doing pretty well where they are and may not want to come back to where they used to be a suburban footballer nobody.
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Docker by the Sea Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #92

Docker by the Sea
I just read an article in The West outlining The Crows players recruited from other clubs. If they can attract players to Adelaide the I have to concede we are doing something wrong.
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hypen Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #93

hypen
We are getting a cable car connecting Kings Park to Elizabeth Quay. They are going to be banging down the doors to get here.
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Silence Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #94

Silence
That's crazy talk hypen. Nobody is coming until there's a monorail.
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Raglan Matt Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #95

Raglan Matt
They do have The Crazy Horse in Adelaide, that attracts a certain type of player. It's a wonder Benny and Dustin aren't lining up for the Crows.
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FDB Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #96

FDB
Carn the Ogdenville Dockers!!!!!
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bpurple Hooker Stays 7 years 11 months ago #97

bpurple
Surely the chance to appear on the TV show staring the two talking arm pits on channel 7 is incentive to cross the Nullabor. That coupled with the opportunity to play in the WAFL for a couple of years whilst proving yourself should be more than enough.
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