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Corporal Agarn They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #1

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www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-14/dyson-hep...ondollar-legal-claim

ESSENDON'S captain-in-waiting Dyson Heppell is about to launch an unprecedented legal claim against his club for more than $1 million in compensation stemming from the WADA suspension.
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shane They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #2

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I'm struggling to see how they feel they deserve compensation. They've spent hours sitting through lectures about their responsibility when it comes to what they put into their body, they all have well paid managers representing them if they needed to approach the club about their concerns, some of the players were able to refuse the injections without any repercussions and, even when they did go down the path of juicing up, they were offered a deal that would have seen them miss a few weeks in the off-season.

Between these blokes suing and Dustin Fletcher types complaining about not being able to coach or hang around football clubs, I can only assume that the drugs they took have given them all a serious learning disability.
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jimb2 They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #3

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I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier.

Unfortunately this will be settled out of court, because it would be great to hear an inside story. Especially one that is tested in court.

And, while the players are responsible for what goes into their bodies, the club has a genuine duty of care to protect players health and ongoing livelihood. There is a significant misuse of authority here. Being a part of any organisation entails doing what you are told to do and fitting in with the norms, more so down the tree. That's why we have worksafe laws. Management should have better risk information and aren't subject to the same soft - or hard - coercions.
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shane They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #4

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Heppell isn't making a claim about a dangerous workplace safety or a health issue. He's claiming loss of reputation and loss of earnings based on him being banned.

The WADA rules are very clear about who's responsibility it is to not take banned substances and the players and regularly reminded of this. The full two year ban means that WADA didn't believe the players were tricked or unduly coerced into taking a banned substances.
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hypen They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #5

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History tells us young men will storm a beach and be machined gunned down like target practice if their superiors so direct.
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DS They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #6

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In the context of a war, storming a beach is not considerd an illegal act.
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rogerrocks They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #7

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I can't take that line Shane. How does a young guy in a club make their decision? They talk to the people around them. They watch the actions of the people around them. They weigh that up against what they already know, and what they've been told. And then they decide. It is not a very rational process.

So sure you've had the lecture, but when the club hierarchy say its ok, and almost all of the players go along with it, you are unlikely to be brave enough to say no. This is completely and utterly different to seeking out performance enhancing drugs on your own, knowing that other players and the club hierarchy are firmly against what you are doing. Of course the penalty has to be similar, because otherwise the standard defence at a druggy club would be, "The coach told me I had to have the needles, and all the other players were too, so I did". Even if that is exactly what happened, it can't be a defence. But if it is what happened, then I'm all for players suing the club. Especially because its Essendon.
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shane They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #8

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Do you get many millionaire footballers with a personal management team storming that beach?
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DS They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #9

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Imagine some bikie up on a murder charge using the defence that "my charismatic leader told me to and I would look a sissy to other blokes if I didn't".

It's just ludicrous. They are personally responsible for their actions and no amount of coercion mitigates that.

Do the crime, do the time, and stop bloody whingeing about it.
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hypen They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #10

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You are missing the point. There are organisational factors here and they are undeniable.

I also understand that the player must be accountable to WADA for what is in their body. But that doesnt mean the club cant then be accountable to the player.

nb Shane, at this point I can only think of Tom Hanks.
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slammen They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #11

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Imagine if that bikies leader told that bikie to inject drugs into his system , let's say steroids , do you think he would say no ?

That's a better scenario than yours DS , I think murder was a bit of a jump.
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DS They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #12

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I think the bikie would commit the murder and would also inject the drugs. That's my point. In each case the bikie would be guilty because, no matter how much pressure is applied, they are responsible for their own actions.

And so were the Essendon players.

None of this is meant to indicate the club and it's heirarchy are not also accountable to the players hypen. Of course they are. But you can't escape from the fact that the players could have said "No thanks, not for me". The players were not held down and forcibly injected.
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shane They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #13

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I'm not missing the point. Your point is that James Hird was a evil mastermind who used deception and skulduggery to coerce the young impressionable players into crossing the road, having a man inject them with something (which, even in the best version of events, had a dubious sounding name) and not ask any questions for fear of his wrath....except for the half dozen who opted out.

The important point is that, while factors in Essendon may have exerted pressure on him to get the injections, the AFL make sure that all the players are all well educated about such matters.

These meetings about drug awareness stress that even if your coach gives you something, even if your doctor gives you something, even if someone in a white lab coat with thick rimmed glasses gives you something - that you you are responsible for knowing what it is and that it is legal.

Remember, this isn't about his health and he's not out of work or facing unemployment. It's about his reputation and marketability. If Dyson says he didn't know what he was being given, then he was negligent and has damaged his own career and reputation.
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hypen They're Lining Up 8 years 3 weeks ago #14

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The Essendon Football Club was negligent and reckless in seeing their players breach WADA regs.
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