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TOPIC: Calm down all

goodie Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #43

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I vividly recall the years dockerlanders spent calling for Phil Smart's head. Now people are calling for him to be reinstated.
We haven't won a flag. It sucks and I will probably be dead before we win one, or in prison for stabbing an eagles fan. I'm with morgan on this and am not convinced it's Bond's fault. In general our recruiting in the last ten years has been pretty good. Where Bond has fallen short is in recruiting marquee players to play for us, especially as I would've thought Freo as a club and WA as a destination would have strong pulling power. But I don't know how much of that is due to player managers convincing players it will shorten their careers or if their terrified of playing rolyball. What I do know is that west coast seem to find it pretty easy to lure blokes over.
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Morgan Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #44

Morgan
Completely agree hypen, but in those years we picked first at 7, 3 and 4, and our second and third round picks were commensurately earlier. It's a fair bit easier than when you are picking first at 20, 16, 17, 17, 13 and 22, as we have since 2010.

So, the question is, have we got value from those higher picks? On its face, no. But the response needs to me measured against what was available after out pick, factoring in the 'hindsight' factor. It would have been helpful if we took more tall forwards, but there haven't been many good ones available at those picks in the draft. There's a million people lining up to say we should have done something, but few as to what that something should have been. I mean, if people can't even spell out a compelling alternate draft case with the benefit of hindsight, what chance did Bond have in real time?
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freofan61 Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #45

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Goodie. West Coast have mostly only attracted WA players interested in returning home except Redden and Ellis( who came along with Simpson in 2014). WC was Redden's club of choice after becoming a free agent and probably came because Yeo was already there. Ellis only played 16 games in 3 years at Hawthorn, his career at a crossroads due to constant calf injuries.
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DockerKnockers Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #46

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Yer, and I'm not aware of any KP players recruited in the last 5 years that are regular starters for the Slime now.
Gone to bigfooty where there's fewer Docker Haters.
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DockerKnockers Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #47

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From what I understand, the Slime have recruited the following players who are recent regular starters for them (since the 2011 draft);
2011: J.Hill (trade)
2012: J.Cripps (trade), J.Bennell (rookie), Wellingham (trade)
2013: Yeo (trade), Sheed (draft), Ellis (Free Agency)
2014: Duggan (draft), Nelson (draft)
2015: Redden (trade), Jetta (trade)

Freo have;
2011: Sheridan (draft), Crozier (draft), Neale (draft), Sutcliffe (draft), Dawson (pre-season), Spurr (rookie)
2012: D.Pearce (free agency), Taberner (rookie)
2013: A. Pearce (draft)
2014: L.Weller (draft)
2015: H.Bennell (trade)
Gone to bigfooty where there's fewer Docker Haters.
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Jezza Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #48

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Let's go back to 2009. The year before the compromised draft. Pick 4 (Mora), Pick 20 (Fyfe, Chas winner). Then from 2010, compromised draft until 2015. In that time, we've had success without winning the big one. I never thought I'd experienced that last day in Sept in 2013. I really thought we'd win it last year after capturing the minor premiership. It's not Bond, the recruiting, Roly or the players. We're in this current predicament because our evolving game plan is going through some teething problems. We started like a house on fire last year and we got zip. How's this anymore disappointing.
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purplepower Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #49

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Regardless the recruiting,WC and the Dockers have different expectations....
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Bizkit Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #50

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Jeremy McGovern?
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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freofan61 Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #51

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Pick 44 in 2011 rookie draft. We picked Gavin Roberts 20 Nick Lower 37 Ben Bucovaz 53 and Tim Ruffles 68.
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thecheg Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #52

thecheg
Ouch, That's a miss that hurts as much as Darling.
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Jezza Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #53

Jezza
Bigger Ouch. 2009 draft:

No. 7 - Brad Sheppard (Eagles, crap)
No. 20- N. Fyfe ( Brownlow Medallist)
No. 22 - Garrick Weedon (Eagles, delisted)
No. 23 - Koby Stevens ( Eagles, now Dogs)

We could go on about the recruiting, but it's a lottery).

Since 2008, IMO, given the compromised drafts, we've drafted the best we could have. In that time, the club have achieved the best results in their history, without winning the mug.

FFC will rise again.
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hypen Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #54

hypen
I just want them to make something happen. And to do that you have to give up a bit and be flexible. Schwab understood this and could make things happen, did he go too far? Yeah by his own admission he did towards the end.

And there now seems to be a ridiculous over reaction to that period under pinned by a conservatism that borders on the paranoid of getting fleeced.

We are started out as a club that was daring and prepared to take risks and we have swung the pendulum the other way. A simplistic over reaction.

Chris Mayne has come undone. He is shot mentally. He plays cause there is literally no one else on the list who can come in right now. Its a dogs breakfast.

So this is not all about draft position as it is philosophy.
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goodie Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #55

goodie
Talking about philosophy. Fremantle never seem to have sat down at board/management level and asked themselves what kind of footy they want to be known for. Because if they had they may have asked themselves what would be the most entertaining for the fans. Personally, I wish we'd just copied how Geelong have done it. High scoring, hard and fast. Attack at all costs and defend like hell. Instead, we've had a few years of Neeshams water polo style (ahead of his time i know), then ten years in the wilderness playing something that did not resemble any Aussie rules I've ever seen before or after, and now five years of grinding rolyball that seems to have finally broken our spirit.
I've kind of forgotten what my point is. Sorry.
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Morgan Calm down all 8 years 2 weeks ago #56

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The last thing I'd want is Steve Harris deciding how Freo is supposed to play.
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