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TOPIC: Nic Nee Nat

DockerKnockers Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #71

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You don't see players going for a mark and jumping that close to the pack that they just put the knee straight in to the bottom or back of a player ... even when you have eyes only for the ball, you still have a very good field of perception to allow you to time your jump, lift the knee for elevation (as did McPharlin) and use the knee to get above the other players. In my opinion, Nic Knee either deliberately raised the knee with intent to impact 211, or was at the very least far more careless than 99% (IMO) of what others players would have been in that same position. With no player in front of Nic Knee, I fail to believe he would have raised the knee like that.

So in the eyes of those who believe it was just a good legitimate mark ... where do you stand if Nic Knee finds encouragement for doing that and starts deliberately using the knee to injure players (in marking contests). Where is your line in the sand or are you just fine with it being within the rules when taking a mark? I'm pretty sure Mitchell would still be out there corking guys with his knee if he hadn't been warned after the Fyfe incident ... so what, if Nic Knee does it a few more times, injuring a few more players, then the MRP and AFL might have a quiet word in his ear to let him know it's not real sportsmen like?
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Morgan Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #72

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Yeah, what sort of monster would stick their knee out with an oncoming player in the way?

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Morgan Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #73

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Raglan Matt Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #74

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In neither photo has the point of the knee been driven into the back of the opponent!!
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Dockermus Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #75

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I'm feeling a bit like the drunk in the bar, unable to just let this go and, instead, arguing on and on…
Morgan, no offence intended, but sometimes you seem to suffer from typical lawyer hubris, determined to be the cleverest man in the room AND always have the last word.
I think that, if you offered those two photos up in a courtroom as evidence for the defence, you'd probably harm your client chances. Both photos clearly show contested marking contests. The Bulldogs player in photo 1 is standing alongside and facing 211, attempting to spoil. In photo 2, Sandi is being doubled up on, as usual, and is using height and reach to mark the ball above the attempted spoil of the St Kilda player, who's also giving him a shove in the back, as per usual.
Neither photo shows Sandi intentionally jumping forward and into the back of an oncoming player. In fact, both photos suggest Sandi might be aware that a bloke of his height has potential to inflict a degree of pain, and seems to be trying to limit impact on both occasions.
In my view, this whole argument isn't about technique, since we probably all agree that Nic’ll-knacker-you-with-his-knee has neither talent nor technique.
My issue is with the AwFuL’s blatant double standards, which allow an honest player like Sandi to be rubbed out for weeks with car crash-like injuries, possibly intentionally caused, without even a murmur, let alone MRP consideration, because Nic the Knee is among the elite. He’s among the game’s most protected. He’s the AFL marketing department’s dream player. Commentators and sycophantic journos drool and dribble over all his nearly marks, his nearly tackles and missed tap-outs, and it really, really doesn't matter to these fools that he can’t actually play the game. So what if his rubbish technique finally results in an opponent being badly hurt? They'll put out emotionless PR statements, calling it collateral damage, and tell us it’s what makes our game so great! Whatever. As long as the cash registers keep going ker-ching!
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slammen Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #76

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It's just football , sometimes you win sometimes you lose





I can't help but think if this was the other way around , people on here would have said it was good football move on.
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Dockermus Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #77

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If - and it's a big if, to assume that Sandi would have done the same thing - it was the other way round, it would have been a match day report and a ban lasting several weeks.
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FFC246 Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #78

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I accept Notacluey probably didn't mean to cause injury but it resulted in some very serious injuries to 211 not to mention the impact to Freo.

But only a couple of years back it was within the rules to slide into an opponents legs or bump to the head as long as you didn't raise your elbow . Just because it's within the rules now doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at
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Morgan Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #79

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Dockermus, I'm probably guilty of all of that on occasion, but I just don't see what people are going on about. When a player is backing into a pack there's a chance they are going to get hurt - which is why it's so freakin' brave. Players lift their leg in marking contests all the time. Determining a players intention in those circumstances is really difficult. Plus, the other players aren't stationary bags. When Sandi's knee is out, and he is looking at the ball, whether he connects on the point is partly out of his control. I just googled Sandilands Mark, and those two examples were on the front page.

Put another way, can you point to any difference between what Pav did, and what NicNat did, other than one player got hurt?

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DockerKnockers Nic Nee Nat 8 years 2 weeks ago #80

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Morgan, Pav has gone up with the knee and turned it to the side to AVOID any harmful impact.
Nic Knee appears to angle the knee INTO 211 to make the contact. The two are extremely different and obvious to me.
Had Pav done the same as Nic Knee, Pav could have easily broken that player's ribs aswell.

EDIT: I posted earlier, how from a young age in football, I and friends learnt to do exactly what Pav does in your example to avoid injury to the opposition. That is, raise the knee for elevation, but turn it sideways so the thigh and side of the leg impacts the player. Pav could have easily chosen to just stick the knee up so that the point of his knee was pole driven straight in to the opposition, but he didn't, because he showed some normal duty of care in his marking action ... Nic Knee showed none.
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