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bpurple Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #1

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After the incident involving Sandi on the weekend I watched a few of games that featured the slime v us and some other teams. Shock and horror, fast forwarding to Nic Nee's marks and ruck contests showed he is a serial offender. He leads with his knee in most ruck contests and is not penalised. He is basically using the other ruckman as a step ladder or a kick bag Jackie Chan style. I also noted that when Sandi or other ruckmen use this tactic they more often than not get penalised. I also noted that he likes to jump all over his opponents arms flailing wildly in most unrealistic fashion in order to take marks that are never going to happen. Jumping flat out into the back of a pack at full pace is also another one of his favourite tricks. He does not get penalised, (I am thinking it is because the media have talked up these illegal tactics as mercurial acts of bravery and carry on with ooohs and ahhhs). I just wish one of the deep thinking analysts on FOX would have a close look at the way he goes about it and then ask the question why he seems to have cart blanch to do as he likes while other rucks get pulled up and penalised. As soon as Sandi raises a knee in a ruck contest he is penalised for blocking. Am I the only person who has noticed this?
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Alvin Prpl Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #2

Alvin Prpl
What you think all players should be treated equally, now that's an interesting concept, I don't think it will get off the ground though.
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bpurple Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #3

bpurple
You are probably right AP, imagine having the temerity to insist that umpires treat everyone fairly. I mean their statement from years ago giving the genuine ball playing "stars" of the game more latitude should have red flagged that idea. When does Nat Fyfe become one of those guys, after his third Brownlow?
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Jonno Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #4

Jonno
I saw NN punch Michael Johnson in the stomach when they were both on the ground and the ball was about 15 metres from them.
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bpurple Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #5

bpurple
The stats speak for themselves, the superstar ruck from the slime was smashed 13 hit outs to 3 in the first quarter. I cant think of a player in the AFL I dislike more. An Overrated buffoon who ski's well downhill, but when faced with an actual capable opponent goes missing.
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DazzElle Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #6

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Just once i would like to see a umpire pay a free against him for his one arm around the waist one arm over the shoulder he uses on the other ruckman whenever he is behind at a boundry throw in.
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Morgan Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #7

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Sandi gets called for blocking because he is usually trying to block the other ruckman. If he takes away their leap, then they have no chance of winning a contest. It's very effective, but the consequence is that sometimes he gets called for it. On balance, it's still worth it.

NicNat's approach to rucking is to run and use his jump to hit the ball at it's highest. It's also very effective, although not against Sandi, because Sandi is bigger and an expert blocker.

NicNat's rucking style is the style the AFL would prefer. Done well, it looks awesome. A couple of huge blokes banging and tangling with each other at ground level just doesn't have the same aesthetic.

NicNat, like a lot of players who can jump, uses his knee in marking contests when he has the sit. One of the great parts of our game is the big speccy. Occasionally there is collateral damage. Sandi wore it on this occasion, but I'm not sure you want to take that out of the game. If NicNat's attempts are unrealistic, he'll get pinged. On this occasion, he actually marked the ball, so I'm not sure on what basis the umpire was supposed to ping him.

Sure, it's annoying when NicNat takes a pack mark, but fortunately, you'll probably only have to endure it once or twice more this whole season.
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The_Yeti Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #8

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Morgan

its amazing how you can ignore 99% of a subject matter just so you can take a contrary position.

Nicnat leads with his knees almost all the time. Just because he manages to take a single mark doesn't excuse what he does. Most of the time its in a rucking duel where he should be penalised yet it almost never happens. The same as he often pushes players out in marking contests with hands firmly in the back or in boundary rucking duels with hands firmly in the back and often wins free kicks doing it.

I know you're keen on facts, so theres a couple for you to ignore
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bpurple Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #9

bpurple
I can understand the blocking call in ruck contests when there is a third man up. But one on one if you are strong enough and big enough to hold your opponent of the ball then that's just too bad. If you want pure jumping ruck tip offs then start it like basket ball where both players have a foot either side of the line and vertical jump for the ball. Paying blocking frees one on one is like handing out speeding tickets at the Bathurst 1000.
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ConspirAC Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #10

ConspirAC
Its a wonder that the Hawks haven't gone after nic nat nee, they like the nees.
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hypen Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #11

hypen
Yeti you know what Naitanui did was good football.
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Morgan Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #12

Morgan
There's no free kick for using your knees. In fact, that's how people are taught to ruck. As you said Bpurple, NicNat uses his knees to spring toward the ball. His intention is to hit the ball. Now, you can be whistled if your primary aim is to take out your opponent. On your own description, that's not NicNat's primary objective.

NicNat is the most athletic ruckman in the league, and usually gets first hand on the ball. If you think his primary objective is to block to other ruckman to neutralise the contest, you're dreaming. Most ruckman are trying neutralise his influence. That's all A Pearce could do, for example.

Yes he gets looked after by the umps on occasion, but that tends to be in marking contests like the one on the weekend when he ran so far under the ball the umps assumed he was pushed.

There's plenty of reason to suspect he gets favourable treatment, but I just don't think ruck contests and his injuring Sandi are good examples. A better argument is he should receive less free kicks. I'd wager the umps protect him more than Fyfe, for example.
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The_Yeti Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #13

The_Yeti
Hypen,

its was....but only just once. The rest .....well, no
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Jonno Nic Nee Nat 8 years 4 weeks ago #14

Jonno
In WC's game against Hawthorn, the tv commentators call out NN's name whenever there is a ruck dual. In the first quarter I didn't hear the Hawhorn ruckman's name called at all. It was as if NN was the only one contesting. He didn't win all the taps. If NN is in the play, going for a mark, the commentators call out his name (only name called). Often they have to add "almost". There are many "almosts" in NN's games.
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