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TOPIC: Been saying it for years

ICONDOCKER Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #15

ICONDOCKER
That's the advantage of having someone prominent in the media pushing your barrow
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freoboy49 Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #16

freoboy49
Do you remember that a few years back, the media reports would give a comment/rating on the umpires? A bit too sensitive so its been dropped.
We know, from an article (2014 maybe) in the fish and chips wrapper, that there is a weekly in-house evaluation of each umpire's performance. We see players' performances dissected in detail in the public arena, why not the umpires as well? I mean, they get paid big bucks to strut their stuff.
I would love those evaluations to be displayed on each umpire at each game, showing how many frees they gave to which team. It's a bit more challenging, but I'd also like to know where on the field and when in the game the frees were given and, while I'm at it, whether they were the umpire closest to the action.
Even 'quarter by quarter' free kick counts would be instructive.
My sense on Saturday was that #17 Justin Schmitt (how often has he umpired at Subi, Fre_Doh?) was very generous to GCS by comparison with the other two. But we, the great unwashed, have no way of establishing that without close review of the tape — I might be maligning him unfairly.
On the matter of goal umpires it staggers me that, in doubtful calls, the field umpire is deemed to have a superior view to the specialist. I think we've now seen that video review is not significantly more effective or accurate than the naked eyes of the officials (not to mention the parallax error that flows from television images).
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slammen Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #17

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Geez what does Walters have to do to get a free kick ?

they missed about three in a row.
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hypen Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #18

hypen
Ostensibly he put it on the players.
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Morgan Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #19

Morgan
I actually think that the umpires should be as anonymous as possible. Giving them rankings and dissecting their performance publicly would mostly serve to reinforce existing views about them among the fans, and given all we know about cognitive biases, I don't think that's a great thing.

No-one notices when a correct decision is made. Certainly there is no positive emotional response towards an umpire. Also, we acknowledge that umpiring AFL is hard given the speed of the game, the distance covered by umpires, the number of rule changes, and how subjective our rules are. Yet, we will remember almost all of the shockers made by umpires, and if the public know all their names and umpiring history, it's just going to make it worse.

Basically, we perceive umpires the way we perceive Zac Dawson. We know he's useless, we know he is going to cost us goals, and we seek out examples that prove our view of him. We don't notice the things he does right: the positioning, the sensible fist, the fact that the second tallest defender gets an easier ride because Zac takes the best marking target. But we notice the stuff-ups.

Put an anonymous guy in his place, or A Pearce, and people won't spot the bad as readily. They might even look for the good. Not a single poster here has mentioned that at a crucial point in the game, A Pearce had a 3 on 0 in the goal square, and instead of picking it up for an easy goal, he soccered it though for a point like a chump. If Zac D did that, Dockerland would have had to shut down for 24 hours.

The AFL should keep the umps out of the spotlight. Because sadly, like Zac Dawson, they're the best we've got.
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shane Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #20

shane
Waste of time.

Complaining about the umpires is part of the fun of going to the football and there is no statistical evidence that can convince me that I was wrong about what I said about an umpiring decision. Which means there is little point in proving me correct either - because I know I was.
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Noddy Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #21

Noddy
Talking about fun, where's Razor Ray been? I've missed his pretentious laughable theatrics......not his decisions.
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hypen Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #22

hypen
Morgan, I would have Margetts at full back any day.
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DJKL Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #23

DJKL
freoboy, do they get paid the "big bucks"? I'm interested as I've never actually heard their pay mentioned, and I thought they all had jobs outside footy as they weren't full-time professionals.
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ManInPurple Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #24

ManInPurple
DJKL, they all work as garbage men. Their work is all trash and everyone only notices them when the forget to collect your bin.
Most of what they do is great and they keep the city clean and a place we all like to be. Unfortunately, they don't get positive credit
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freofan61 Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #25

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Docker by the Sea Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #26

Docker by the Sea
I get it demo we are going to take responsibility, however we have looked into it and can't find anything that we can do differently.


"So Gerard you are correct we are getting screwed by the umpires, and thank you for the opportunity to address this issue without it appearing that I raised it."
"Over 2 games are dead last in the free kick differential, hopefully his can be corrected over the coming weeks and Fremantle can assume their correct position."
"Did you know that we only got 10 free kicks this week for a whole game, imagine if it was only 4. We would then have to assume even further responsibility to address the problem that we can't seem to explain."
"Gerard at this point have I made it clear enough that we ar getting screwed."
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Dockermus Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #27

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Stats don't lie. No surprise who comes off best, but some teams actually suffer worse treatment than Freo through 'inconsistent' umpiring :

Free kick differential ladder (2015-16):

1. West Coast: +70

2. Collingwood: +58

3. Richmond: +57

4. North Melbourne: +56

5. Gold Coast Suns: +36

6. Hawthorn: +24

7. Carlton: +20

8. Adelaide: +13

9. Western Bulldogs: +13

10. GWS: -3

11. Port Adelaide: -16

12. Melbourne: -18

13. Brisbane: -26

14. Essendon: -27

15. Sydney: -50

16. Fremantle: -56

17. St Kilda: -75

18. Geelong: -76

(Not my own work - this info cut 'n pasted from Perth Now)
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Jim153 Been saying it for years 8 years 3 weeks ago #28

Jim153
Everyone knows we get a new one ripped every week from the umps...obvious.
What gets my goat is the travel and the unabashed bias for the Vic teams.
Bulldogs....7 games in a row at that hard dust bowl they call a footy oval???? Seriously???
Imagine we got 7 games in a row at Subi...the flag would be ours for certain!
Its a well known and proven fact for every hour of flight your muscles need 1 day to recover.
That comes from NASA no less.
Even Rodney Eade conceded that the new rules/game styles would disadvantage travelling teams.
So what do they do....send us to Tassie and Darwin and away for the first game at the worst oval for our old list (coincidence...I think not)
Thats the reward for winning the minor premiership???
What I would like to see is one of these ego displays masquerading as footy shows or even the West Coast Australian or Channel Eagle do and expose on just how bias this system is. After all it is in the Egirls favor to do this too.
Put this out in the open and shame the Vicos into making it fairer.
Chances of it happening.....0
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