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ManInPurple Someone Agrees 8 years 1 month ago #15

ManInPurple
Let's look at the facts.
i) Rolly has a new 5 year deal.
ii) top picks are so much better than lower picks, especially for talented KPPs
iii) Freo need a KPP
iv) Freo has a need for top talent
v) Freo has not had a high pick for a while.
vi) Bond couldn't trade a gold bar for a bag of peanuts, let alone get a FF through the trade.
vii) see point i) above.

Now let's guess the master plan:
I) tank for 1year
II) get pick #1.
IIIa) try to trade, sell for or coerce Hogan to jump over.
IVb) get the giants kid who wants to join.
V) bounce back in year 2, get games into pick #1 and give Hogan time to settle into the team. See the Hawthorn method.
VI) win the next 3 flags.
VII) Ross hands over to Pav who gets flags 4&5 I'm his first 2 years.
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Morgan Someone Agrees 8 years 1 month ago #16

Morgan
It's a lovely thought that anyone could be Nat Fyfe if someone just believed in them, but sadly a notion with no basis in reality.

Fyfe slipped through in the draft because he had talent that hadn't been identified properly. In Sandi's case it's very hard to know which 18 year old 7 footer will be strong and coordinated enough to be good at footy at age 25.

But the underlying talent was there. Where that's obvious (like Neale), they have been given games. Where they have a skill we need (like the run of Sutcliffe) we have picked them. Weller has a bit of both, so he is in the mix.

Last year we finished top of the ladder and were a broken leg away from making a Grand Final, which we might have won. Now all of a sudden Roly is a goat for not putting a bunch of 19 year old second round draft picks out on the park to get manhandled.

Everyone's an expert.
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Raglan Matt Someone Agrees 8 years 1 month ago #17

Raglan Matt
You sure you didn't spend the pre season at the Magpies MIP??
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Flag_2005 Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #18

Flag_2005
The 'play Tanner Smith' line overlooks the fact that the WAFL game on the weekend was possibly the only decent game he's played in 4 years on the list.
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Noddy Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #19

Noddy
No, Roly's the coach and accountable for us getting belted on the weekend like no other top four side from 2015, and people are rightly questioning how the hell did that happen. I think it's completely plausible to suggest some who didn't play for the McCoys on the weekend perhaps should have.

Lyon admitted the buck stops with him and there must have been something wrong in the preparation. Perhaps one of those things being not considering all players form in the nothing challenge?? In our game against Geelong, one of the only blokes who looked like he was keen to play round one but in the end couldn't was Bennell. The other was Weller who played for ten minutes and looked like he wanted to play.......hard.
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hypen Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #20

hypen
This list is over the hump Morgan. People are frustrated cause we are standing still. Same players, same game plan. Even you, the self appointed cyber guardian of Ross Lyon must concede after rd 1 the game is about scoring points now. Brisbane scored 100 pts and lost by 7 goals. We scored 38 pts.

Same old slogans, same old method, same old Barlow, same old Bond. Bloody Fremantle. Play the kids .
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darthmarto Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #21

darthmarto
Shame really, Ross' view tends to be "screw the kids!"

Actually that looks a whole lot worse than what I meant ...
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rogerrocks Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #22

rogerrocks
I just hope this is not a repeat of 2007. Finished 2006 brilliantly (well, ok, not the last game), and had high hopes for 2007. And then the wheels fell off and players started retiring mid season.

But I think not. We have enough quality players, and will recover. Roly may have to re-jig his game plan a bit.
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Fre_DOh Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #23

Fre_DOh
Re-jigging the game plan

As it should be done:


At Freo:


At Dockerland:
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Morgan Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #24

Morgan
Yeah, we sucked on Sunday. It happens, although incredibly rarely under Roly. After repeatedly finishing in the top 4, after one game into 2016 people are saying we should do something differently. We should have done something differently.

But what, and when?

We all know how big a deal top 2 is, then top 4. Finish 5th onwards and you might as well look to the following year.

So, when should we have been dropping experience players for kids? When should we have been hurting our chances at top 4? 2013? 2014? Last year?

Last year Fyfe was having a year for the ages. We were destroying teams, and playing breathtaking footy. We had the best clearance team in the league, the best defence, and a forward line that was seeking out enough goals that we could put the cue in the rack in the last quarter. Then Mitchell corked Fyfe, our forwards forgot how to kick goals, and it all got a bit bogged down. I was hoping that we'd turn it around. I'm sure Roly was too. But can you, hand on heart, say you would drop Ballas for Weller because Ballas was down on form? Or anyone for Mayne? Or Brady Grey or Blakely for Barlow? Is Tabs really worth a game?

Personally, I would have backed the seasoned blokes to turn their seasons around. I still would. In fact, I still do.

So, sure, 'something' should have been done. But it's not the status quo versus 'change'. Because everyone has a different view as to who can play, and who can't. So just because you think our current team isn't out best team, doesn't mean there's consensus for what a better team looks like. Or that any blokes outside the 22 can actually play. There are no guarantees when you are constantly picking outside the top 15 in the draft.

But when push comes to shove, I'd back Roly to have a better idea about that than Brad Hardie. I'm surprised so few of you agree.
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Down on down Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #25

Down on down
Morgan what I would like to see is some form of consistency by senior management when it comes to selection. If a player is playing well he keeps his spot. Simple. If he is under performing then drop him for someone from Peel who is performing. Equally as simple. However, the issue is that Ross talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk when it comes to rewarding players from Peel.

Now we all know the wheels fell off after our home loss to Richmond. There were many of you who thought we were saving ourselves for the finals when blind Freddy could clearly see we were in a deep, deep trough, playing unattractive football and realistically we were lucky to get as far as we did. We played 9 good games at the beginning of the season and then had an occasional decent match after, but that was it. During that trough there were numerous favourites who were under performing on a weekly basis and did not get dropped, Im looking at you Chris Mayne, Michael Barlow, Danyle Pearce, and Hayden Ballantyne, when fit. How demoralising must it be for players performing for Peel not to get a game at AFL level knowing there are under performing senior players who are not even being considered for the axe by Ross.

That run of matches when we were playing so badly would have been the perfect time to introduce some of those youngsters, drip feed them experience, not just wait for the dead rubber match against Port and drop them all in it.

This Saturday is the perfect opportunity for Ross to make a statement about Sundays unacceptable result and skill levels of some of our senior group. Drop them and give some young guys a go....and no Tanner Smith is not one of the players I am referring to. However, Chris Mayne is one who has to go.
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Drubbing Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #26

Drubbing
There is no way Lyon is going to drop 5 experienced players whose form is patchy, and bring in blokes that are ok to good in the WAFL.

Did no one watch such a team? We sent it that dead rubber last round against Port.

Lots of those youngsters were playing for spots.
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Morgan Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #27

Morgan
Mayne is a soft target. He's a defensive mid-sized forward, and he's close to the best in the league at it. His best comp is someone like Luke Breust. Mayne will give you the same number of touches, more marks and heaps more tackles than Breust, but Breust will give you an extra 10 goals a season. The same is true for someone like Jack Darling.

Even if you would trade marks and tackles for more scoring, who at Peel is going to give you 2 goals a game? So yeah, drop Mayne, but for whom?
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RideoftheVagaries Someone Agrees 8 years 4 weeks ago #28

RideoftheVagaries
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, using “I’m looking at you…” in a rhetorical denunciation isn’t.
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