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TOPIC: Dusty a bit dusty

Jooter Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #57

Jooter
Drubbing, you can be suspicious of the motives of a Ch. 7 producer all you like. But that doesn't mean that you are even in the ballpark of being correct.
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Nelson Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #58

Nelson
It is absolutely 100% indisputable that the post-shooshing, actions of Martin, as described by Tracy, are unacceptable.

Notwithstanding that, I have three main queries/concerns:

Firstly, the point of my original post, is the immediacy of the passing of judgement by a court of public opinion that has been overrun by wowsers and holier than though do-gooders in this new age of the internet and social media and the increasing use of those mediums by revenge seekers whereby the price paid by the accused are not commensurate with the alleged crime/conduct/error of judgement. I think this is becoming a major societal issue that needs addressing.

Secondly, I question why the dealing with the “loud and boisterous” conduct was not done so in a more appropriate and safer manner, I am not victim blaming if I choose to question the purity of her motives in taking the action that she took or seeking clarification on how she went about it in terms of her tone, language etc.

Finally, I originally thought this whole issue was brought to light through the print media and did not realise it was a story on Ch7. Did Ch7 mention that she was their employee at the time? The usual MO in these instances is to gather further reports from other people in attendance, why have Ch7 chosen not to do this on this occasion?

The last two points are legitimate questions that would be explored in any court of law prior to the passing of judgement and taken into account in the delivery of punishment. Social media trolling wowsers (trowsers?) do not allow this, and that’s wrong. As a result I tend to stubbornly support the accused as being innocent until proven guilty, and I concede this may not always be the right thing to do.
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DJKL Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #59

DJKL
Titus has once again said everything much better than I ever could, so I'll just leave this here:

titusoreily.com/fun-defences-dustin-martin/
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Dockerbill Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #60

Dockerbill
Thanks for that DJKL, I like you have trouble putting it in to words, this says it all.
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The_Yeti Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #61

The_Yeti
Wow and double wow.

Titus just nailed it beautifully.

I'm just not sure how it could be done better. Maybe the lady should have just gone to the police but considering what it took to get Milne looked at, its hardly a surprise she didn't.
Egurls Suck!
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Nelson Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #62

Nelson
The Titus piece is well written and thought provoking, which is what good writing is supposed to do and has brilliantly led to me reviewing some of my initial thoughts.

But how quickly can a line here and a line there create a whole new unsubstantiated set of circumstances. Nothing I have read so far suggested that Dusty threatened to kill the woman as per Titus' writing and no where have I read that Dusty remembers nothing.

I like this from Dangerfield:

"The woman alleged he stood over her, verbally abused her and threatened to stab her with a chopstick.

“What’s been reported is really disappointing - Dustin’s actions are really disappointing,” Dangerfield said.

“Richmond have put that across in a media release, obviously.

“But at the moment, it’s still very much being investigated.

“So until we know all the facts, we can’t really hang someone out to dry.”

The Tigers have said they hope to end the investigation by the end of this week.

Dangerfield is an ambassador for The Line, a campaign that aims to stop violence in the community."
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shane Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #63

shane
What sort of injuries would you be attempting to inflict by stabbing someone in the face with a chopstick?
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Nelson Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #64

Nelson
Not death.
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Raglan Matt Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #65

Raglan Matt
Titus is on the money, especially his second last point

“Hodge only got two weeks, other players got this and that.”

Personally, I think you’re on really shaky ground if the AFL’s appallingly bad record on punishments are the centre plank of your defence.

What you’re actually pointing out is the whole problem. Footballers have never had the incentive to truly change their behaviour because deep down they know it’s not career ending.

The sad thing is they’re right.

Watch how quickly that all stops when one of them actually gets the punishment they would get in the real world.


Deregistering clowns like Martin, Fev, and other recidivist offenders would make many other players stand up and take notice of the fact such behaviour is not a cool way to represent your club and code.
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shane Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #66

shane
Perhaps he should have articulated that.

If a large bloke with neck tattoos slurredly threatened to stab me in a crowded restaurant, I wouldnt discount the chance he meant fatally.
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Nelson Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #67

Nelson
Absolutely Shane, no problem with that concept.

It's the way social media and, in response, mainstream media act in these matters that really really annoys me.

It is how the other party interprets the actions that is paramount. I have not seen anything whereby, Tracy, stated that she feared for her life. Titus added it in for the purpose of adding a bit of bite to his writing, and I think that's wrong.
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laugh_cry Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #68

laugh_cry
Fev spoke well on SEN today about this incident. He warned Dustin Martin that he needs help and that if he continues these behaviours it will destroy him and his career. Coming from Brendan Fevola's own experience, it was a powerful message.
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FDB Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #69

FDB
1) A woman in a restaurant (a fancy restaurant, remember... not a back alley in Northbridge circa 1994) asks a drunken idiot to tone it down. (If you believe alcohol is all he'd had I've got a bridge to sell you, but that's just supposition and innuendo and so completely inappropriate to a dispassionate discussion of what we know about the incident. Still...)

2) He completely spazzes out, and threatens her safety (at the very least). Then goes all Hardwick on a nearby wall.

So there's our cause and effect. The problem for me and many others is that there's a huge, massive, yawning, craterous gap between the two.

The victim blamers make token noises about how his behaviour was "unacceptable". But they accept it.
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larkin Dusty a bit dusty 8 years 4 months ago #70

larkin
I guess he was just making fun of her rather than threatening to skew her eyes - but i wasn't there either.
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