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TOPIC: If No McCarthy?

exceed If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #43

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Grub as a passionate Freo supporter i love your optimism and fully understand how us Freo lovers are very protective of our team.
As for the 4 players above , Z Clarke is a ruck man as is Griffin and both have played for many years and we know what they bring. As for Tabs he is still young and as a rookie pick up has shown some glimpses of promise. Appeness at 199cm is still a few years away and more a ruckman fwd. The point is that we have had 4 years or more to recruit high end genuine FWDs ( 192-196cm range) and have deliberately chosen midfielders in the draft. Our strategy was to try to get ready made forwards thru either free agency or trading in. This has simply failed. I cant see another spin on that. Yes we came first and that is great but when the business end began we struggled to beat an under maned Sydney at home and could not score enough goals against Hawthorn. I am not saying we are not a good side , yes we are. But I want a flag and if we had attracted other genuine FWDs to Freo we would be in a better position to win one. Instead we have a plethora of good midfielders getting game time in the WAFL.
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Morgan If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #44

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The best way to get quality talls is to draft them in the top 5 and develop them. 16*, 13, 17, 17, 16, 20. That's our highest picks in the last six drafts. I think it's fair to say a talented tall was not going to be handed to us.

The options in those circumstances are to develop the best talls you can get at later selections, trade (including trading up in the draft), or try and attract a free agent.

We've explored all of those options to various degrees. Barlow didn't get a sniff of the top 10 in the Doig Medal this year, yet the thought of trading him upset people. We threw money at big name forwards, which upset people. We went after a young forward who wanted to come home, and it didn't work. I don't know if we tried trading up in the draft, but for most of those years GWS and GC had the plum selections, and at that point only cared about hoarding high picks.

It's all well and good to say Freo should have done more, but I'm not sure what more they could have done. As it stands, we have the best team defence in the league, and arguably the best midfield / ruck combination. We need a bit more outside class, which we got this trade period. We have the best small forward combination in the league. We have one of the best defensive forwards in Mayne. We just need a big lug who can take a mark and kick goals. As it turns out, that happens to be one of the rarest commodities in the league. We don't have an elite version of that player, but we potentially have two useful players in Tabs and Apeness.

Oh, and we were a Fyfe leg injury and bad umpiring away from making our second Grand Final in three years (having already butchered our chance to win one).

Perhaps Bond and his team aren't perfect, but you'd be hard-pressed to say they are doing a bad job.
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exceed If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #45

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Agree not a bad job - but to win a flag you may need to do better than " not a bad job". Not a bad job got us to a grand final , semi and then preliminary. Not a bad job!!!
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Gumnut If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #46

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Apart from Black, Casboult & Kersten I'm surprised Tom Lee at St Kilda hasn't been mentioned. 194 cm, 94kg mobile forward ex WA boy, still only 24 & since he's slipped down in standing at the Saints we could have got him for a 3rd round pick.
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Grub If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #47

Grub
Points taken although last time I looked resting ruckmen and even non resting ruckmen were allowed to kick goals.
Tom Lee ! The grass is definitely greener on the other side. Seems like any tall at any price is going to satisfy the masses.
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Corporal Agarn If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #48

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Agree Morgan but we didn't make a play for Ryder last year or Casboult this year and they're two big lugs that can take a mark. Lee can as well. Plus we let McGovern slip through our fingers.
I see Kersten and Black as more of the Darling type, which is not big lug markers.

So i guess the question now is would these lugs mentioned above be better than an untried or delisted lug that we now have to go for.
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thegeniusthatis If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #49

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I thought Roughhead and Kennedy had terrific Grand Finals.
Bennell in the centre, Fyfe to CHF.
Getting McCarthy would be nice, but...
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Corporal Agarn If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #50

Corporal Agarn
I'd have either of them at Freo any day of the week thanks genius.

Let's move the Brownlow medalist away from where he won it and put him somewhere he's never played hey?
Mundy used to play half back yonks ago but made the AA as a midfielder so he could be moved too.
Apparently Pav at 34 according to some should now be moved to the back line. Bet he'd love that.
Wonder when Ablett is fit if GC will play him from the back pocket?
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Derby12 If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #51

Derby12
"The talls will sort themselves out."

WTF?

I can't believe I am reading that statement. What are we running here - a cricket tea where everyone brings a plate and we end up with 11 swiss rolls or a footy club?

If talls really play so little part in the current game then why are so many clubs - presumably with some degree of footy knowledge - chasing them so hard? The reason for taking the best player at that pick in the draft is to build the best pool of talent - and then use that pool of talent to address gaping holes by trading out developed - surplus to needs players - from those draft decisions.

We no have arguably the best midfield going around to the point where genuine champs like Barlow can't get into the middle, and quality youngsters like Weller struggle to get a game and build experience, and a forward line where - clearly - toward s the end of the season we were playing whoever was available in a desperate effort to find someone who could offer something in support of Pav.

Hmmmm. what's wrong with that picture?

Do you guys saying that we are OK for tall forwards realise that Pav is a good chance to retire, or if he plays and is injured, our forward line talls will be Taberner, Apeness (if fit - virtually untried), Hannath (Ruckman) and Clarke (Constantly maligned in this forum for his lack of consistency over the last 3 years)?

Now it's all well and good to say Bond et al have done a good job, but maybe if they had done an excellent job, we'd have a couple of premierships at this point.

Every draft period I get excited by the potential for us to recruit and build the team we need - and every draft I watch dozens of players change clubs in complex 3 and 4 club deals, with list managers working aggressively to build the most balanced list, and trade up draft picks. And every draft period we achieve nothing. Now maybe our team are working really hard, and it is just impossible to attract players to our club, but since footy on the field is results based, I would think the recruitment & trading side of it should be too.

Yes we got Bennell. He was basically cut by GC, and wanted to go to Freo, and apparently dissed the other contenders (good work Harley, by the way). Well done Bondy. You converted a tap in putt that the other players had already conceded as a gimme.

Bennell is a great pick up, and you can call me a malcontent, but there has to more done in the period than that to satisfy me. At the very least we should have been actively trying to improve that draft position to give us a chance at a decent tall.
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Corporal Agarn If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #52

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Hallelujah Derby 12!!!!!!!!

We've had the entire time Roly has been here for the forward line to sort itself out or at least be sorted, but we've seen neither.




BTW.....Roly has left the building.
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Blue1red1 If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #53

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Cmon Corp, you'll be eating those words when Nick Riewoldt is the surprise addition to the squad and Pav is rolled out one more time. There is a J. Brown doing beer ads at the moment that could be the third tall option. Look out 2016, there with be Z frames and wheel marks going everywhere. Now there's a forward line sorting itself out.
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Raglan Matt If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #54

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CA I think Salmon went from FF to a ruckman after he did his knee.
Everyone keeps saying we have an abundance of quality mids, and they all seem to want to stay at Freo. Why can one N Fyfe not be the next full forward to win the Brownlow, Coleman, and kick 100 goals in a season??? All he needs to do is put in a pre-season concentrated on goalkicking practise and he is away. An added benefit is that many sides will have to play a top 2 midfielder at full back just to try and contain him. I can't see a Brian Lake type backman matching up too well on Fyfe.
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Blue1red1 If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #55

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Brian Lake, bah, they'll play a Sam Mitchell on him , hobble him in the first 3 mins and then laugh at the umpires giving a free kick against Fyfe for tripping.
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Raglan Matt If No McCarthy? 8 years 5 months ago #56

Raglan Matt
Not if Mitchell decides to run head first into a goalpost first, it could happen.
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