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TOPIC: Free Agency

shane Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #15

shane
The problem is that they don't have a good enough system of currency. Clubs's aren't liquid enough to do trade for someone like Franklin. It means that the middle of the road players have more freedom to move than the great players, who are basically stuck where they started unless they manipulate the pre-season draft.

The trading future draft picks should helps that issue but the free agency system needs a lot of work to make sure a club can't be worse off.

Hawthorn got away from the Franklin deal because they were a strong club and turned the freed up salary cap to their advantage. When GWS and Gold Coast start losing players to free agency, it's going to hurt them.
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Morgan Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #16

Morgan
That's my point PK. North Melbourne has used FA as aggressively as anyone, but we don't mention them because they didn't win.

Sydney has buggered up their salary cap for the next 86 years by luring the biggest name free agent.

Hawthorn grabbed on decent player and all of a sudden it's hurting equality.

Dangerfield was drafted in 2007, and has played admirably for the Crows. Who cares why he wants to go home? It should be open to him. As it is, FA just game him a little more leverage, but the mechanism he leaves under is still a trade.

As Shane points out there is some tinkering required, but the crux of the system is a fair one.
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hypen Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #17

hypen
I dont care about middle of the road players they are not going to create inequities in the system, Franklin, Dangerfield, Frawley have all moved to powerhouse clubs.

I just don't think its good for the comp.

Dangerfield aint going to the Kangas I can assure you...

Name a star player in his prime who has gone to a struggling club under free agency. All its done is make life easier for middle of the road players get back home.
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RideoftheVagaries Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #18

RideoftheVagaries
I think the affects on lesser clubs is a little overstated. We saw the Bulldogs tear up the ladder this year after being fairly well raided in last years trading period.
;p
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shane Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #19

shane
But two of those three have left powerhouse clubs, hypen.

The problem of players going to powerhouse clubs was around long before free agency. They need to do some proper work on the system to fix that. Which includes things like caps of football departments.

Free agency, on paper, should see the salary cap should force good players out of good clubs and send them to weak clubs. I don't think there's enough data yet to say it's not going to work.

If you take Fremantle in 2001, they had to trade their top draft picks to get a few players to prop the side up to a competitive level. If they could have used their free salary cap to take Croad and McPharlin as free agents, without giving up the draft picks, they would have been a much better team.
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Morgan Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #20

Morgan
Shane’s right, we’re still at the infancy of FA, and it needs to be considered as just one of the levers that controls the movement of players. Rhufus’ point is a good one; there may be unintended consequences like clubs considering FA in the context of drafting. It is a positive step that clubs more closely consider whether a player wants to be uprooted from their home as a 17 year old.

But let’s not forget that a player only becomes an unrestricted free agent after 10 years of service. Adelaide could match any club’s offer to Dangerfield, and effectively force him to play for Adelaide (or at least stop him from playing somewhere).

But let’s use an example closer to our heart. Let’s take Nat Fyfe. He would be eligible for restricted FA in 2018, and be an unrestricted free agent in 2020. Don’t you reckon that Freo would have been well compensated for using their 20th pick in the draft to select him? Don’t you think that after 10 years he should be able to do whatever he wants, without having to go cap in hand to someone like Bondy to try and get a deal done? Would the three premierships and four Brownlow’s not be enough return on Freo’s paltry investment?

The compensation element still needs work. Most US sports (where free agency has been around for decades) don’t compensate clubs when they lose players. The view there is that clubs will be impacted in the short term, but that mechanisms like the draft and salary cap will smooth that out over time. I like the idea of helping that process along, but it’s not easy.

And I’m not sure the ‘crash or crash through’ approach with the courts would work in the AFL’s favour. The AFLPA would have a pretty good case, and it’s in the fans’ interests that this never gets seriously tested in court.
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jimb2 Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #21

jimb2
Lake was clearly a Hawthorn top 10. He didn't get a rating in their B+F because he was a blow in who tried to kill an opposition player on tv.
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shane Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #22

shane
You have to have compensation, otherwise it's a leak in a closed system. There is not enough movement of players in the AFL to expect that you'll be compensated through the market.
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jimb2 Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #23

jimb2
As the current system stands, two clubs could exchange their top six players under free agency and cream the draft with 12 compensation picks. It's the other clubs that lose out. The net effect is that a player disappears from the draft.
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hypen Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #24

hypen
Morgan I always thought it was seven years not ten. Ten is a fair period to get your return on a player.
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Fre_DOh Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #25

Fre_DOh
It's 8 years for restricted free agency and 10 years for unrestricted free agency.

The AFLPA is pushing for a change to 6 and 8 years respectively...with no compensation applicable. If they get their way, Fyfe would be an unrestricted free agent - with no compo payable to Freo, if he chooses to leave at the end of his current contract.
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Roodawg Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #26

Roodawg
FYFE- "I live and die for Freo"

Don't think we have anything to fear with that scenario.
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Fre_DOh Free Agency 8 years 6 months ago #27

Fre_DOh
Random AFL club offer to N. Fyfe esq.

"How does $20 000 000.00 over 10 years sound?"
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