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TOPIC: No.8

Flag_2005 No.8 8 years 7 months ago #15

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Rosebury is an embarrassment but don't expect to see the AFL do anything other than wave him through to the GF. Mind you, if West Coast make it he'll be terribly conflicted on the day.
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myboys No.8 8 years 7 months ago #16

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I think alot of the non-calls were because they didn't want to seem to be "influenced" by us. What a load of crap.
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Flag_2005 No.8 8 years 7 months ago #17

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Now is exactly when we should speak up. It's a disgrace and has been for a few years. Best contested ball in the comp and biggest (negative) free kick differential. Also one of a few, if any, teams who finish in the negative at their home venue.

If not now, when?
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Freofan No.8 8 years 7 months ago #18

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Even Karl Kangdon said he would be writing a letter to the AFL regarding the umpiring , he said no point in calling them. ROSEBURY CHANGED THE GAME IN FIRST QUARTER.
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Tjmckay No.8 8 years 7 months ago #19

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Normally at the end of a game that we've lost, I end up saying "The umpires were pretty bad but they weren't the reason we lost".... Not tonight..

There were critical umpiring errors, mostly non calls, that directly influenced the play; against us. The non holding the ball against Lake in the first half (No 7), Walters getting dragged down and then jumped on (No 8), and the hawthorn player (No 4?) playing on and kicking a goal after the siren (3/4 time I think). Many, many times I was left bewildered... So were those around me...

Just found the video on the AFL website. Goes off his line by about half a metre, that's play on....
www.afl.com.au/video/2015-09-25/suckling...nner-after-the-siren
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freoboy49 No.8 8 years 7 months ago #20

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Raglan Matt - don't worry, they'll be able to froth at the mouth again when the Budgies get the rub of the green on Saturday night.
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Jason No.8 8 years 7 months ago #21

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Without downplaying the significance of two VERY soft decisions that directly lead to the Hawks first two goals, the one that changed the game was the holding the man/push in the back free kick NOT paid to Walters in the last quarter when we were 9 points down. From where I was sitting in the nose-bleed section of 309, umpire ?? was standing at right angles to the tackle on Walters with the footy well clear of the contest, about 5m away near the boundary. He had with a clear view of the infringement and apart from briefly bringing the whistle towards his mouth - he WOULDN'T pay the free kick.

I say wouldn't because the umpires understood the significance of the moment and the almost certain likelihood of Freo running over the top of the VFL's last real hope this final series - so it was play on. Then a soft free kick or two to Hawthorn on the way out and Sheridan's horrendous dropped mark lead to Rioli's goal that killed it.

That umpire, without a shadow of a doubt, will get the GF next week as his reward.

How one of the other two blind maggots couldn't see and over-rule their fellow umpires' horrendous miss only confirms the fix was on.

If that sort of free kick was missed by a junior umpire in a regular game let alone a Prelim Final, there'd be repercussions - I know, my young bloke has been junior umpiring for years. At that level, the good, fair, decisive and objective umpires get the finals - not the crap, blind ones who are only doing it for the money and couldn't make a correct decision if their life depended on it.

But somehow, by the time they get to the 'elite' level, they're rewarded with Prelim finals by having the reputation of hammering certain teams. We're the only ones that it consistently happens to because our club NEVER highlights the absolute floggings we are subject too. They need only highlight that one missed free on Walters, 15m out on a slight angle, that would have brought us within a kick. Hawthorn were spent and we were running all over them, to get within a kick and the momentum we had would have been enough to get us over the line.

As other's have said, only one team in WA gets the 'home ground' advantage from an umpiring point of view and the other gets the 'square up' to keep the VFL happy. I even heard it said recently by the umpiring department that Fremantle are a team that give away a lot of free kicks, so that's why we're on the wrong end of the free-kick count so often.

I didn't think that much of it at the time but it now makes sense. I don't think we give away a lot of free kicks - certainly not more than 20 most weeks - the thing is, we don't get them paid to us. That is the real reason they think that - because no matter how many free kicks we give away, they're conditioned not to pay them our way. Other teams, in the second half of the year - starting with the Richmond game - have been allowed to hold our midfield off the ball, do anything they like to Sandi and hold/push/charge our forwards and not be penalised. Of course, should we infringe in the most minor of manner, we're pinged and as with tonight, an away team on the ropes gets gifted their first two goals.

That was the way the AFL worked out to counter the Docker juggernaut. Throw in an unpunished dog act like Mitchell's on the best player in the comp - ruining the rest of his year, and losing Luke AA when we needed him most was enough to make us miss our first flag.

I say again to the club, this is not just a hair-brained conspiracy theory from passionate fans - it is a systematic and verifiable pattern. Everyone else in the world can see it, so what if it costs someone at the club $20,000 - I'll kick in for it.

Nothing will ever change and we will never be allowed to taste the ultimate success if action is not taken and the rubbish that was served up tonight is exposed for what it is and NEVER allowed to happen again.
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rogerrocks No.8 8 years 7 months ago #22

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Morgan is, unsurprisingly, not commenting. It was the sort of umpiring display that infuriated me in the early 2000's.

I was in 124, and just in the quarter of the ground near me, there were several absolute clangers.

The Hawks opening goal came from a free to Hodge in a marking contest with Mzungu. That free wasn't there. The 50m penalty that made it a goal wasn't there. The ump saw a Hawk on the ground, and made up a 50m penalty. Bull.

Then there was the kick out of defense to Sandi. He had some little guy on him who grabbed Sandi's jumper - the v under the chin - and for reasons unknown, that wasn't a free kick. I think they got a goal from that.

Then Fyfe, chasing a loose ball up the wing goes down on his knees to take possession and protect the ball, and some Hawk just flattens him from behind. In the back? Not on your nellie.

Pav, 1st quarter, chasing a beautiful kick for a mark, gets a blatant push in the back. But not blatant enough for the umps.

There were more, like the tunnelling that went the Hawks way, but when they did it 10m out from goal - nothing.

It was an utter disgrace.
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clinical No.8 8 years 7 months ago #23

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A lot was made last week throughout all the media about the atrocious deliberate out of bounds decisions in the Hawks game. Do you think there will be any discussion at all about the worst call in the history of the game that stopped freos momentum dead in its tracks and gifted them their first goal? Or the next one soon after?
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rocky333 No.8 8 years 6 months ago #24

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the awful did not want freo to win,a derby g/f would have hurt them badly,so you can guarantee the slime will play hawthorn after they get 35 frees tonight
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LOZA13 No.8 8 years 6 months ago #25

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Why is it that Freo, get the worst possible deal? This isn't some random statement - we've seen the stats that prove it!
Wayne Campbell's response is that he can't explain.... not good enough.
Why do Freo have to put up with this year after year???
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avdbrm No.8 8 years 6 months ago #26

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How many players in the league will have an umpire hold up play so they can recover fifty metres off the ball? I dont know what the figure is but I can guarantee it includes zero freo players. Hodge goes down on the fifty metre line while there's a ball up in the forward pocket and the umpire stops play. Hodge sends the runners away, so you'd think he's right to continue playing and play ought to continue? Wrong. He's still on his haunches so play is still held up. Play is not continued until he gets up and starts moving again. Again, just before Barlow's fifty. Hodge was penalised for kicking in danger, then held onto Taberner and dragged him back down when he was trying to get up. That would have been fifty in some games but I don't mind. However, Hodge then clearly looks directly at the umpire and swears. The umpire holds up play to lecture Taberner. You needn't look much further for evidence of bias. .

This si something i simply cannot understand. When the free would have gone freo's way, the umpires held their whistles, perhaps not wanting to over influence the game or be seen as being influenced by the crowd. When the free would go hawthorn's way, then it's straight to the mouth. Several clear cut decisions were inexplicably missed in our forward line, whilst the hawks enjoyed the benefit of the doubt in their forward line.
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LOZA13 No.8 8 years 6 months ago #27

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What about No.9?
Barlow, I think, lining up for goal, Sam Mitchell is less than 5 metres from him (not standing the mark) and clearly in breach of the rules...Stevic goes up to him and says hey Sam, would you please move out of the protected area here mate...if you wouldn't mind please? Why wasn't Barlow remonstrating about this?? Any other game would have been a certain 50!
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Raglan Matt No.8 8 years 6 months ago #28

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At least 3 Freo frees paid with the whistle not being blown til Freo had cleared the ball from the contest, then to add insult to injury, clear advantage was not paid, the ball was brought back allowing the Hawks to set up and grab their Freo opponents. What hope have we got???
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