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TOPIC: At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher

Noddy At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #15

Noddy
At this stage of the season the men in green are fine upstanding well balanced people, that view may change around 8.45pm Friday.
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jezzaargh At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #16

jezzaargh
DK, I reckon the week off is messing with your head. It's like the mango madness, waiting for the first rains in the tropics.

Go watch a few re-runs of Freo finals victories, fer chrissakes!
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Jebediah55 At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #17

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In all seriousness, I have watched these umpires in other games not involving Freo and they are consistent in their inconsistency against other sides, I think the negativity is misplaced and would point to our defensive game as the main culprit to our higher free against count then any perceived umpire bias.

Additionally, forgetting past years and excluding round 23 we won 80.9% of our games this year and since 2013 49.5 out of 66 : 75% and 52.5 from 72% including finals (72.9%), so when you think about it regardless of what you think about umpires we have the best win loss record next to Hawthorn 52/66 (78.7%), including finals - 58/73 (79%).
So after the last 3 years the Hawks have won only 21/2 more games in the regular season despite a perceived massive umpire bias.

What Im saying is you have to ignore the umpires and find a way to win, and Ross's boys do that more than all the other teams.
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DockerKnockers At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #18

DockerKnockers
I continually hear excuses for Fremantle's High number of Frees Against ... and I have not yet found any data to support any of those theories ... other than bias.
West Coast have similar defensive and contested possession stats as Freo, yet Dalgleish at Subi home games Free Kick statistics indicate bias for West Coast and an equally opposing bias against Fremantle.

Pavlich in 2015 has had 18 Frees For and 24 Frees Against. You need to go back to 2004 to find the last year Pavlich had more Frees Against (vs For). Pavlich is not a defender, nor is 211 who has similar Free stats this year.

Last year the excuse was Crowley's tagging.

It's extremely frustrating, especially when the likes of Campbell can excuse his umpires, by dismissing the recent Free Kick bias against Freo (vs Sydney) was simply in line with the Seasons trend (total codswallop because Sydney had virtually exactly the same Free Kick For and Against for 2015 prior to that game).
Gone to bigfooty where there's fewer Docker Haters.
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shane At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #19

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If you're watching the umpires, the umpires have won.
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rogerrocks At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #20

rogerrocks
DK, there is a job for you in the AFL as umpires advisor.
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hypen At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #21

hypen
For those of you who havent endured the pleasure and pain of raising sons, the very definition of disappointment is opening your pack of footy cards and getting Greg Scroop.

I think the AFL need to be screening for a certain type of personality, a profile for a person who likes to sit in the background and oversee something run free from incident.

Ray Chamberlain should be on dancing with the stars not a football field. He is addicted to the bright lights.
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The_Yeti, DockerKnockers said You Beaut

Drubbing At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #22

Drubbing
Ray has to get in on everything, it's like he think footy was invented for him to be in the thick of it.

The worst showboater all season though, was the bloke who took an X Factor amount of time to call a holding the ball decision, and threw himself into the thing like it was his final exam at WAAPA.
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DockerKnockers At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #23

DockerKnockers
The thing I have enjoyed most about Roly's coaching of Fremantle has been his no excuses approach.
Fremantle players rarely stand and argue with the ump. They play to the whistle and continue playing their role. In the years prior to Roly I would see Freo have a game's momentum totally changed by a few poor umpiring decisions. You could see the players heads drop and shoulders droop.

I love the fact Freo have been playing so consistently well despite the umpiring.

But I am still concerned by startling statistics that are extremely hard to explain. Especially the relationship of the negative umpiring to Fremantle's losses. As previously posted, in the last 2 years, Freo have won 20 out of 20 games where none of Stevic, Dalgleish and/or Rosebury have umpired, yet they have been there for the 12 losses (excluding PA resting loss).

Most people prefer to dismiss the data, otherwise they may need to confront the possibility that not all is just and that makes people uncomfortable. Those same people may dismiss why Freo had to play Geelong at Kardinia in 2013 and whether or not Fremantle won that game does not make that decision by the AFL any more just.

I have no influence on the umpires, but I can provide information to encourage a few supporters to question the umpiring further and hopefully those supporters may be loudest when the umpires choose to unfairly blow that whistle on Friday night ... just like those loud Freo supporters at Kardinia in 2013.

For many reasons, coaches and players can't touch the subject, but fans can and I struggle to understand how by ignoring (dismissing) negative umpiring against Freo, I am a better supporter of the club.
Gone to bigfooty where there's fewer Docker Haters.
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Drubbing At Least It's Not Leigh Fisher 8 years 7 months ago #24

Drubbing
When you play like Freo, where you don't put the opposition away often, and games are meant to be won by 22 points, as per the formula in Roly's spreadsheets, umpiring bias will have an effect on the momentum and outcome of the game.
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