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Thornton 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #1

Thornton
Can anyone explain to me how this new proposed fixturing idea works? How do the bottom six play for draft picks? Does that mean that if your in the bottom six and win you get rewarded with better draft position?

www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/time-for-175-fixture-debate-gale
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purple kit 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #2

purple kit
thats exactly the idea Thornton.

and thats the real problem with this idea, if you are a real basket case club you will only ever get pick 6 instead of pick 1 in the draft.

the idea of top 6 playing it out for a top 4 spot is ok, as is that of the middle 6 playing for spots 7 & 8, personally though i think its just a way of stopping teams like freo (who fly interstate 10 times a year) having a chance to have a rest.

If they wanted to stop tanking for draft positions, a better idea would be to award the draft positions on the ladder positions after rnd 17 after every team has played every other team once. which was suggested in another thread a few weeks ago.
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Thornton said You Beaut

rogerrocks 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #3

rogerrocks
Yeah. Just put the bottom x teams in a group, and they have a raffle to see what order they get picks in. So there is no bonus to finishing stone motherless last, but no downside either.
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Raglan Matt said You Beaut

rocky333 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #4

rocky333
to really put a stop to anything about tanking,award an extra point to a team scoring more than 100 points in a game,so if a team wins by scoring over 100 they get 5 instead of 4,surely at the end of the season it would make a differance
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shane 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #5

shane
Hand out $50,000 for a win.
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realism 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #6

realism
I am all for fairer fixturing, but this would take away a lot of drama from the season. So a team in 13th position after 17 games cant fight for a finals spot? That sounds like it will encourage tanking and the resting of players towards the end of the season.

Bring in a lottery to determine draft picks, that way finidhing with the worst record doesn't guarantee the number 1 or 2 or even 3 pick

Another idea would be to make the season 17 games long and then to make up the number of games have home and away finals legs up until a fo or die GF
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shane 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #7

shane
There is no model that can both help teams who are rubbish and prevent teams from exploiting that help. The problem is that football clubs are full to the brim with cheats and bastards.

They had to bring in a rule to stop the stretcher being taken onto the ground to help injured players from the ground because football clubs were full of people who, after several years of warnings, still thought it was an acceptable practice to send the stretcher out to slow the game down.

Now you see blokes hobbling off the ground with 12 month knee injuries because the football manager doesn't want to take the risk of losing a player who might just have copped a nasty knock.

There is a concussion rule that gives clubs the opportunity to bring on a sub while the player is tested because clubs were sending players back onto the ground still dizzy. Now they exploit that new concussion rule by testing every player who cops a slight bit of contact and needs a breather.

What they need to do is reverse the culture of win at all costs and bring some sense of what their business makes money from, which is playing sport for the entertainment of others. People don't pay money to see clubs cheating, rebuilding, resting or embarking on a 7 year plan of sustained excellence. They want to see two teams going their hardest at the football for two hours.
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Dr Sleep, Raglan Matt, werdnarewop said You Beaut

TheColonel 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #8

TheColonel
Works in politics.
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jimb2 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #9

jimb2
Draft positions and particularly priority picks should be on made on average performance over a few years.

The system need to look at the long term health of clubs rather than the annual performance. I can't see that any club that has won a premiership in say 18 years should get a priority pick, or maybe even a top pick. Also, a club that has crashed on account of injuries shouldn't be getting top picks on the basis that they'll be back. Using a multiyear formula is the way forward. This also means that tanking will lesser impact unless you do it for a few years running.

I'd also be happy with a larger salary cap for clubs that haven't won a premiership recently, on some kind of escalating scale, and maybe some kind of recognition of the impact of travel.

While we are at it, free agency or at least it's current form is appalling. It works in favour of already strong clubs.
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purple kit 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #10

purple kit
On free agency, it also works well for bottom clubs losing players, under the current system if we won a premiership then lost fyfe to free agency the best we could hope for is pick 19, yet Carlton may get pick 2 for a crab like kruzer. How's that fair?
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Raglan Matt 17-5 8 years 7 months ago #11

Raglan Matt
Shane your observation on the dodgy practises around the draft, interchange etc is the same reason why most laws of the game changes are a waste of time. The cleverest cheating bastards are usually ( but not always, James) the coaches and their assistants, who spend most of the summer working out how to cheat the new rules the AwFL have brought in to make the game faster and more attractive.
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