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TOPIC: Fyfe MRP

rogerrocks Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #15

rogerrocks
Bugger! Was really hoping Hodge would miss first week of finals.
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demo1 Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #16

demo1
Hawks wont be appealing bpurple....you wont be able to wipe the smile off their face. They have probably already graciously accepted the judges decision
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DockerKnockers Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #17

DockerKnockers
So Hodge basically got 3 weeks less than Silvagni got (given Hodge got a 2 week down to 1 for early guilty plea, plus 1 for bad record), Silvagni got 5 weeks down to 4 (with early guilty plea, no bad record).

I expected Hodge to get that, not because I think that was fair, but because I have been acclimatised by the AFL MRP/Tribunal to expect such.

A quick comparison of Hodge vs Silvagni's cases;
Conduct (Careless or Intentional);
Silvagni - chose to go the elbow, off the ball. Bad look for the game. Imminent contact looked likely with any choice made, given Cripps had initiated the block/contact. Silvagni's action looked reactionary, but a poor choice all the same. Classified Intentional, probably fair, as he had alternatives (eg. hip & shoulder), even if it was a split second decision.
Hodge - in contest for the ball, had intent to bump, look on face suggests intent to hurt, had alternatives and time to not bump (Hodge lent in to the bump). He may have wanted to apply physical pressure to ensure Wingard did not keep ball in play, a push with hands would have sufficed as alternative to heavy bump.
In summary, an elbow is worse than a hip and shoulder which goes against Silvagni. But a reaction to imminent contact isn't as bad as Hodge's hit on defenceless Wingard. Hodge had more time to decide. Therefore, if Silvagni intentional, Hodge must also be ... an argument could be made for both being Careless, as both had a reason for their reactions (even if they were bad choices).

Impact;
Silvagni - little to no injury, about 10 minutes of game time lost by Cripps due to injury concerns on bench (no concussion, no structural damage, player played following week, questionable time off ground, about 10% less, ie. TOG 70%, usually about 80%). Most of force of impact came from Silvagni pursuing his opponent (not Cripps). On video there still appeared some movement towards Cripps once Silvagni chooses to go the elbow high at Cripps head. The action of elbowing carries a risk of greater damage than what was done. eg. broken jaw, concussion.
Hodge - no injury, Wingard fell to ground, probably with initial concern, but got up, did not leave the field, continued play and judged best player on the field. Similar to Silvagni, most of the force of impact came from a legitimate reason for running, in Hodge's case pursuing Wingard in contest for the ball. On video there still appeared some movement towards Wingard once Hodge chooses to go the hip and shoulder high to Wingard's head. Hodge's action had an additional impact concern with the proximity and danger of the point post. Wingard had a secondary impact from hitting this post. Hodge's action carried a risk of greater damage than what was done. eg. spinal damage, concussion.
Impact summary, again, hard to split them. Arguments could be made for both to be Medium or High, but given neither resulted in any significant injuries, I lean towards Medium for both.

Contact - High - open and shut case for both.

Other, both players appeared to take repsonsibilty for their actions, showed regret and compassion, apologised and entered guilty pleas.

Now I'm sure if you listened to the broadcasts and the commentary then you would probably put a different spin on both events, but I have tried to be impartial (disclaimer, I accept I'm Docker biased, but hey).
My issue is, according to the MRP/Tribunal, Silvagni's elbow (5 weeks) was 2 and half times worse than Hodges (2 weeks).
That I have an issue with!
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Jefferys Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #18

Jefferys
And one thing you missed DK, Hodge's hit was 2 seconds after the umpire had already blown the whistle for a free kick against him
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pollyanna Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #19

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I've got to admit, when the OOFTIT medical staff were limping Crispy around the city end to get into their rooms (at the Derby) I was hollering out 'WHAT A BLOODY FAKER! YOU'RE A FAKER MATE! FAKER!' - he heard me, looked sheepish (but then again, maybe that's just a genetic thing - who am I to say).
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DockerKnockers Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #20

DockerKnockers
Yep Jefferys. I'd like to comment on that, but it's really hard to know (vs suspect) what Hodge was thinking.
Hodge would have heard the whistle, but you can't just stop play in today's game, especially with the way the umps make a call on the "play on to advantage" rulings. Wingard, although on replay looked well and truly over the goal line and out of play, still deserved some checking, ... just not the hip and shoulder Hodge chose ... likewise Cripps deserved something from Silvagni (as much as I liked it), not the elbow he went for (a hip and shoulder was enough).
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DockerKnockers Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #21

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The Mundy one is another one of those Freo bashing verdicts.
When I saw that on the broadcast, and I saw a North's player on the ground, I replayed it several times slowly and zoomed in. There was nothing in it. It was obvious staging from Boomer ... again.
When are these stagers going to be addressed. Surely, everybody has now seen enough of Harvey on the field to know he lies and cheats to get a free.

Gees, The Slime want to talk about player code, well how about we bring some of that back to the game by first cleaning up all the staging and diving and arm flapping and fake medical reports. Hawthorn are worse than anyone right now. Almost every game I watch, I see a Hawk player go down staging for a high contact and then when they get the free, and you watch a replay in slow motion and see nothing in it, they continue to play it up and blink their eyes and put their hand to their face, then quickly take their free kick and all is forgotten.

I still believe Lewis took a dive last year when hit be Fyfe (likewise with Duryea this year). Both times they got high contact with the softest part of Fyfe's arm. And again this latest report to Fyfe only occurred because of the head being thrown back for a glancing touch to the shoulder.
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DockerKnockers Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #22

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Thinking about the Mundy fine, I just recalled a few weeks back how Hodge punches an opponent in the jaw with a short right jab fist and it doesn't even get mentioned in the MRP (low impact, but it was not a good look), but Boomer takes a dive after Mundy puts the left arm out in response to Boomers big two handed whack in to the back of Sutcliffe one second before and Mundy get's slapped with a fine. Even Dunstall (I think) after watching the replay said "I think Boomer was playing it up a bit looking for the free kick".

I always thought Freo's whipping boy days would fade away once we became a more competitive and respected team. The problem is, I misjudged the respected part. All it means is we are perceived as a bigger threat so we get bullied even more. No respect at all.
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Jezza Fyfe MRP 8 years 7 months ago #23

Jezza
m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/time-to-do-...20150824-gj6m0o.html

Here's hoping because should Priddis win the Brownlow again, it'll be absolutely disastrous for the game of AFL
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