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TOPIC: The trouble with winning ugly

DockerKnockers The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #29

DockerKnockers
A big you beaut to everything you posted there bpurple.

Every time I hear Matthew Lloyd bang on about how Freo cannot win because they cannot kick enough goals to beat the likes of Hawthorn and West Coast, I get frustrated, because I'm aware of the true facts, like those you posted.
Gone to bigfooty where there's fewer Docker Haters.
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goodie The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #30

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The whole 'winning ugly' thing has become a moot point for me now that we have not only the best player in the country, but also the best player to watch in the country.
And that is worth the price of admission on its own.
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somethingstupid The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #31

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The trouble with "winning ugly" is that ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. Barring the odd half a quarter here and there, the only ugly football I've seen from Freo this season has been in games that Freo didn't win.
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bpurple The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #32

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To reinforce my point re 100 point scoring teams and that being irrelevant in a GF in the current era, lets look at the Hawks four most recent GF's:
2008 Hawks won 18.7 (115) to Geelong 11.23 (89)
2012 Hawks lost 12.9 (81) to Sydney 14.7 (91)
2013 Hawks won 11.11 (71) to Dockers 8.14 (62)
2014 Hawks won 21.11 (137) to Sydney 11.8) (74)
In 2012 and 2013 both teams had the same amount of scoring shots with two different outcomes, in those games it was more about accuracy in front of goals then weight of numbers from shots on goal.
In three of the Hawks GF's they have had no more than 25 scoring shots in total which has netted them two Flags.
In the GF where they had 25 scoring shots to win the opposition had a total of 34 scoring shots, again accuracy rather than shots on goal was the decider.
In all four of those grand final wins it was the team able to apply pressure, rebound out of defence and take their chances best, who won the flag regardless of how potent the other teams forward line was.
In three of the four GF's the flag could have gone to either side and their ability to kick 100 points regularly in a season had no bearing on the out come.
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DockerKnockers The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #33

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The Facts are, The Hawks have lost 35 games in the last 5 years and only once has a team had to kick more than 100 points to beat them. That was 2012, R19 HA v GE 116 v 118 at the MCG.

So it's actually the complete opposite to having to kick 100 points to beat Hawthorn ... the real answer is you have to keep them to as low a score as possible. DEFENCE!!!

Stupid Matthew Lloyd and all his 100 point cronies.
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Mushroom The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #34

Mushroom
I'm not really sure how this came to be about 100 points, but anyway let's run with some history here. Last 10 games' scores, Fremantle versus Hawthorn

F H
43 115
110 91
79 137
62 77
76 118
63 119
44 95
89 111
94 64
39 155

Average F 70, H 108

Hawthorn have only scored under Freo's average once in 10 games.
Freo have scored over Hawthorn's average only once in 10 games. By two points.

You may not need 100 points, but you are going to need more than 10-to-12 goals.

I think Freo are capable, but they need to crank it for more than a quarter and a bit.
This didn't even happen during the undefeated streak at the start of the year.
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DockerKnockers The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #35

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My issue with all this 100 point talk and on the topic of "winning ugly" is, I like seeing Freo win. Some of the most exciting and impressive footy I have seen in the last few years has been when Freo are on, and the intense pressure they put on the opposition simply suffocates them (eg. 2013 Prelim Final FR v SY). Freo only scored 99 points that night, but the whole AFL world were talking about just how impressive Freo was.

So, I'll state the bleeding obvious, that seems to be forgotten, to win, the guaranteed recipe to win is, not score 100 points or more, but to score at least 1 point more than your opposition. If you can keep your opposition to 5 goals, you only need to kick 6. If Freo average 109 points everytime they play Hawthorn, it doesn't mean they win every game does it? Now if you do some really good statistical analysis on premiers and Grand Finalists, you'll find a greater correlation to defensive teams than to offensive teams.
I think people forget that Hawthorn are a very good defensive team, at the end of Round 20, they were 2nd to us. Freo are 9th for offense, yet we are still top of the ladder. So you tell me what is most important to winning games?
If you open up your game plan to score more against Hawthorn, you are going to have to lower your focus on defense and that's when Hawthorn will score highly against you.
Hawthorn lost Buddy Franklin to Sydney, yet all their big name recruits seem to be defenders.
If you really want to increase your scoring, you can do that with good quality rebounding defenders and mids which is where your inside 50's usually come from.
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Noddy The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #36

Noddy
Great work DK.
In summary, Roly's strategy is spot on and ultimately it's the ability to apply pressure and then skill execution which plays a big part in winning or losing, which the Hawks are generally very good at and we weren't against the biters last week.
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Jooter The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #37

Jooter
What's sometimes forgotten, especially by the likes of Matthew Lloyd, is that playing that hard-at-em, crash-bang, smash-mouth football style every week is bloody hard. I doubt any team can do it for a stretch of games, let alone an entire season.

Freo's been winning with Plan A - what we saw in the first few weeks of the season. We know we can bring the smash-mouth when we need to. I reckon this season has been all about timing. We had a hard stretch of games to begin with, a middle lull where we kept on winning, and come the end of the season and finals time, we'll bring on the smash-mouth.
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Corporal Agarn The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #38

Corporal Agarn
I agree with Noddy. Skill execution is the big thing in footy these days. With all the players often in one half of the ground, missed targets, dropped marks and turnovers kill you nowadays, with the ball quickly going down the other end of the ground. Your team are all running forward then oops, stuff up and you're caught completely out of position.
The slime were much bater than us last week in this area.
Maybe it is hard to keep those skills up week after week. You might be able to get away with it against a lower side but not one of the top sides.
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Jezza The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #39

Jezza
It's all about score board pressure. That's what Port did to Hawks last night. And when Rich beat them a few weeks. It's what we couldn't do against the budgies last week. We got to as close as 14 Pts, at one stage in the last qtr, but then let them in for 2 soft goals to downhill skier Josh Hill. Ideally you'd like to be top 4 attack and Defence. The AFL table is a clear indication of where teams are. However, finals, is a different ball game. That is why, the Hawks would be filthy with their lost last night and their top 2 aspirations. All I can say is, the Subiaco home ground advantage is a big reason why the WA clubs will be licking their lips in a few weeks time.
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Mushroom The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #40

Mushroom
If ever there was a blueprint laid out in front of Freo, that Port game was it.

And it wasn't ugly. It was pretty bloody attractive footy.
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Mushroom The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #41

Mushroom
Do you guys understand where I'm coming from now?
Play attacking footy and you kick seven in a quarter.
Stop it and you show your opposition your mental fragility, they get a whiff of it, and your buggered.

Don't give me the "but we're still top of the ladder" guff. The house of cards is pretty precarious.
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Dockerplus The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 7 months ago #42

Dockerplus
Losing ugly is pretty bad.
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