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TOPIC: The trouble with winning ugly

Raglan Matt The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #15

Raglan Matt
Our style of play IS affected by the way the opposition play us. Opposition teams seem to appreciate that they can get away with infringing Freo players at stoppages, so they force those stoppages. Umpires seem to prefer to ball-up instead of paying a free kick to Fyfe, Hill and co, so that also suits opposition game plans.

This is all good in home and away fixtures, but come finals time umpires as well as opposition players come under a bit more scrutiny. The 2013 GF swung on a few nervous shots for goal in the first half. Hawks went on to win a game they could easily have lost. Having said that I think the Hawks are the only team that can put real pressure on Freo in finals type atmosphere and umpiring. Sure we need a good run with injury, but I also would like to see us play the Hawks in a GF without Mitchell, Hodge and Rioli and with Roughnut on one leg.
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Morgan The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #16

Morgan
Bizkit, you’re right – workman-like is a probably an underestimation of our team. What I’m getting at it is that we aren’t very explosive or athletic.

Here’s a simple exercise – how many players on our list have above-average speed or explosiveness for their position?

Here’s my list:
Hill (definite)
Fyfe (quick off one step, and great leap)
McPharlin (probably)
Hendrix (maybe, against the low bar of other ruckmen)
Ballas and Walters (perhaps you could argue quickness, but most small forwards are quick).

Everyone else is pretty one-paced, albeit we have some good distance runners.

My point is, we have strengths, but they are size, smarts (including ball winning), and skill. If we played a shoot-out style of footy, we’d be playing away from our strengths.

In the first third of the season, we were killing teams out of the middle (size and ball winning), and killing teams on the rebound (skill, when we were the most efficient kicking team in the league). We’re still capably of both of those things, but our intensity has been a little off, and our skills have dropped a fair bit.

Given rebound is so important, we've really missed Johnno. He'll be better for the run. We also miss an extra link player to run, carry and deliver. That's a personnel issue, and there's no obvious solution (although the selection of Crozier and Weller over Clancee or Blakely is an indication that the coaches are looking).

As for Bond, I don't think I've ever said he was any good, just that it's not easy to find the types of players we are missing.
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Rusted On The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #17

Rusted On
Call me rusted on or accepting of mediocrity, but as someone who has sat through many disappointing seasons (anyone remember 2001?) I don't care how we win. All that matters is getting to and then winning the last game of the season. No one will remember the H and A season, only who won the premiership.
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Corporal Agarn The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #18

Corporal Agarn
Don't think I can agree with you Bizkit about our team man on man being better than Hawthorn. On paper they do not seem to have a weak player. For us to beat them it has to be all about team effort and great game plan carried throughout the day.
Roly has called us a blue collar team. I don't think you could say the same about Hawthorn.
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Bizkit The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #19

Bizkit
I agree Morgan we don't have the speed and spread of other teams. That's why it puzzles me so much that RL refuses to use a decent forwardline and pushes them so far up the ground we have nothing to kick to when rebounding out of defence. That sort of strategy requires speed and pace in ball and player movement which we only have if Johnno is on his game out of the backline.

Having a monster midfield allows us to get the ball forward quickly from centre bounces more often than not so we need someone down there more than in defence yet RL goes with less numbers forward for some reason. Even more puzzling with the quality of our defence.

RL basically called us cr*p when he first came to the club despite the season before everyone rating us as the best young list. We have quality throughout the list and are far from workmanlike. The players are what have made us a good side much more than what RL contributes.
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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Raglan Matt The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #20

Raglan Matt
What happens when opposition teams pick a home and away rounds style team to counter Freos H/A style of game , but that style doesn't turn up, a monster arrives instead? Talk about bringing a butter knife to a gunfight.
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Jezza The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #21

Jezza
Let's compare our playing list to the Hawks, WCE, Swans and Bullies. How do we rate our list. Top 5 teams in the league but most would agree, that's now how the ladder represents currently. So there's a growing believe that the WCE list is better than ours. Thoughts?
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shane The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #22

shane
Rubbishing your teams list in defence of a game plan has to be a new one for football supporters.
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Jezza The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #23

Jezza
I've gone on record stating that there would be no more than 5 Budgies currently that would get a guernsey in our best 22. On the weekend, one of those five were missing. I've also stated that not many in the Hawks team would get a run in our side. Perhaps that was a little optimistic. So it begs the question. Is our game plan that good that an average list can be sitting on top of the AFL ladder or is the list better than the teams below us. It's not about rubbishing the team, more about believe.
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Davo The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #24

Davo
Freo All Australians:
Pavlich
McPharlin
Sandilands
Johnson
Fyfe
Ballantyne
Mundy (2015)

Guns:
Hill
Barlow
Walters
Neale

We have more than our fair share of elite and very good players. Couple this with a good game plan and effort on the day, and you'll be top of the ladder.

We've seen teams rise (WCE, WB) and fall (Port, Ess) in the space of one season with essentially the same personnel.
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bpurple The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #25

bpurple
Good call Davo you can add to that list of guns Barlow and our first Brownlow medallist N Fyfe. The one on one list comparison is a good one because I would back any of our midfield one on one to beat their opponent on any given day. As the game is won and lost in the midfield and if that style of football was adopted AFL wide,I daresay you would see a much more attractive brand from the men in mauve .
The thing is we all know that one on one football no longer exists so we very seldom see these contest's for any length of time in a game. The only one that comes to mind recently was Fyfe V Dangerfield in a game where individual match ups was the order of the day, and we won. It was a very skilful display and happened to be played in the wet.
I think the highlight of that Freo Crows game was the Fyfe V Dangerfield contest as they pushed each other to greater heights rather than try to scragg and shut one another down. If only football was played more along those lines.
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Mushroom The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #26

Mushroom
My question to you, Rusted On, is are you a footy fan or a winning fan? If all you want is to see the word Fremantle printed, somehwere, in a list of afl/vfl premiership winners, why bother watching a whole game let alone a whole season? Just read the paper.

The way you win matters. This is what provides the entertainment we all go to see.
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bpurple The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #27

bpurple
The way you win does matter but I think the Myth of having a team that kicks 100 plus all the time having a massive edge over a defensive team is overstated.
If you look at football played between 1995 and 2005 there is only one occasion where a team that kicked less than 100 points in a GF won.
However if you look at football played between 2006 and 2014
Five teams have won a GF by less than 100 points and a draw was reached once where both teams only kicked 68 points a piece. Football as a spectacle has changed from a shootout until one team falters, to a battle of defences. I dare say if you took Lake, Gibson and Frawley out of the Hawks side for an extended period, which is what we have dealt with this year, you would see a much uglier defensive shutdown style from them.Teams go ugly on us because they have seen what happens when you try the run and gun style against us (see round 1 to nine this year).
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Quiexo The trouble with winning ugly 8 years 8 months ago #28

Quiexo
I'm with Rusted On, for me the end justify the means...sure, there will be plenty of hair-tearing moments, but as long as our points for is more than our points against, especially in September and the first Saturday of October, I don't really give a stuff how we get there, as long as we get there...
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