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gidgegary Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #155

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Dockerland, as usual, provides the most balanced and respectful analysis on this issue.

This issue - the booing, the call of racism is -
i. complex
ii. divisive
iii. sad

I don't like Goodesy as a player because of his antics on the playing field over a long period including sliding, staging and generally being protected by the umpires and MRP. But I have also marvelled at his football skills, especially in his younger days - could tear a game apart.

When he called out racism against the young girl I applauded his courage to do that. Oh how much easier it would have been for Australia to digest that episode had that racial slur come from a 40-year old white guy and not a 13 year old girl. But for a large slice of the population, they choose to vilify Adam for humiliating an innocent child who didn't exactly understand the nature of the word she uttered. And so the whole argument became very tangled and conflicted from there. Australia, inherently racist as it is, has dug itself a huge hole here that we need to climb out of and that's going to take leadership and education.

Lewis Jetta is one of the Aboriginal players that I most admire. Many young and talented kids from the bush don't make it when drafted to the big city clubs. It says a lot about Lewis's professionalism that his career has never flinched, never wavered since he arrived at Sydney. He keeps out of the limelight, works hard and does his job. It was courageous for him to stand up to the West Coast booers. Whilst I don't mind the first part of the 'war dance', I don't like it being directed at the crowd and I don't like the throwing of the invisible spear. That part makes me very uncomfortable.
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BellforPM Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #156

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How is throwing an imaginary spear anything other than a culturally marked version of fist-waving, one of the most common styles of goal celebration? Does fist-waving make people uncomfortable? (I can imagine that it might, if a person felt confronted by any strong expression of aggression. But such a person probably shouldn't be at a football game in the first place.)

We should embrace this spirited self-expression IMO. To try to suppress it would be to shut down one of the main engines of the game.
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shane Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #157

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www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-30/richmond-...658794?section=sport

The Richmond Tigers will don their 2015 Dreamtime guernseys in their Friday game against Hawthorn at the MGC in support of embattled Indigenous Swans star Adam Goodes.
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finalport Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #158

finalport
Good on the Tiges! Also, it will be good to hear what the panel on the Marngrook Footy Show have to say on Channel 34 tonight at 7.30.
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Flag_2005 Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #159

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The fist waving (pumping?) is not directed at the crowd. If Barry Hall kicked a goal and then ran at the opposition supporters with his fist cocked as though he was going to knock one or more of them out it would provoke a reaction (and probably a fine from the MRP).
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shane Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #160

shane
If I may paraphrase Confucius.

When the black man throws an invisible spear at the crowd, the idiot looks at the spear.
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Rails Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #161

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When a multicultural crowd boos a particular indigenous sportsman the idiot only sees racism .
Just having a difference of opinion hope that's ok ..
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Nelson Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #162

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You are entitled to an opinion of course. You are also entitled to an education. It appears you have taken up only one of those options.
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Nelson Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #163

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Futhermore, you say its your opinion and you 'hope thats ok' - at the same time you have suggested that everyone who has expressed a different opinion is an 'idiot'. I would like to call you an idiot, but I dont think that would be adequate. An adequate response would result in the deletion of this post.
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bpurple Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #164

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It seems that regardless of your heritage if you have dark skin and are offended by others comments/actions you should just "suck it up" because that's your lot. I point to one Heretia Lumuba (Harry O) and his comments supporting Adam Goodes when he pointed out the "Ape" comment in the crowd and then had a crack at Eddie for his "King Kong" gaff on radio days later. He was basically told to mind his own business and howled down as being "Too Sensitive". The same thing occurred when a homophobic joke was allegedly posted up in the Collingwood club rooms and he dared to be offended and question those responsible. Disturbing patterns alarmingly begin to emerge when one becomes an "outspoken" black man.
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LoyalSupporter Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #165

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We've had budget seats in the top of the 3-tier stand for over 10 years. There are always a number of "single" seats not sold to members so we experience opposition fans most weeks. Most take one or two quarters to realise they can barrack loudly without fear of being eaten by their neighbours - in fact we enjoy having people around to "rag" and vice versa as there have been many humiliating losses as well as memorable wins over the years.

In all that time, only one opposition fan has incurred the wrath of us supporters, ironically for standing up this year and yelling "no booing please". The sentiment was fine but her timing terrible. Not only was she VERY intoxicated before taking her seat, asking fans not to boo an umpire after one of her beloved players had just illegally grabbed and then knocked Fyfe to the ground in our defensive goal square when he was 45m from the ball - resulting in a free kick & easy goal to them???

HOWEVER

We dread home derbies. Without fail, the majority of the blow-in OOFTIT supporters are foul-mouthed, obnoxious, arrogant twacks who have no second thoughts when hurling abuse at our most respected players eg Pav, Johnno, SonSon, AA McP et al and the umps whenever a call goes our way - even when the count is already 34-0 in their favour.

Please don't EVER compare any of our supporters to theirs. They deserve condemnation but this won't happen with any conviction from our press or Channel Eagle (7).
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darthmarto Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #166

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Gotta watch out for outspoken black men.

Look at all the trouble that Martin Luther King Jr bloke stirred up.
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Raglan Matt Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #167

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We used to sit in the top tier city end, next to the away supporters block. It made for an entertaining game most weeks, but like you I found most eagles supporters obnoxious and unknowledgeable. ( Until 3/4 time that is, then a strange silence would descend over the whole block, broken only by the sounds of gnashing teeth and feet tramping down concrete ramps. Oh the sweet sound of success)
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Troll Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 7 months ago #168

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Rails mate, context is everything and not just in footy but life.
Without trying to sound condescending you can’t view these actions as individual situations but rather in the context of the whole season. I’m sure a few white fellas in the southern states of America argued that they were just trying to get the best seats on the bus.
Context, my friend.
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