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TOPIC: Ways to bring back the crowds

jockstrap Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #15

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Golly Walter why don't you also throw a few wild animals on the park as well. Like real tigers and bears. It would keep off the streakers as well although some non violent people might prefer the streakers.
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Troll Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #16

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The only thing that routinely has me considering my attendance is the umpires inability to fairly and consistently apply the rules.
Losing, carp food, carp beer, uncomfortable seating, needing climbing equipment and oxygen to get to my seat and WC fans are all things that annoy me but not to the extent that I don’t want to go. I think my membership with the kids is pretty good value for money.
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shane Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #17

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Yeah but you don't have to go and watch Carlton or St Kilda play every week.
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bpurple Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #18

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The answer to bringing back the big crowds to the G is obvious. Every week have an Aussie rock legend cruise the ground in the Angry Anderson bat mobile. Fire works, hot dogs and t shirts could be fired into the crowd randomly Stalins organ style as say, Sherbet or Ted Mulry Gang or Supernaught belted out the classics. Dont tell me that kind of rolling circus would not be attractive.
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Troll Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #19

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Fair comment which brings us back to the only real way to get bumper crowds is to win games.
So all teams must have winning seasons fairly regularly to keep the fan base above the die hards. Equalisation via the draft does a pretty good job so maybe it is time to tackle the real problem with a bespoke solution, addressing in the real elephant in the room (see what I did there?) and cull 4 Vic teams. Close them or ship them off to Tassy, Canberra, Java, I don’t really care but the simple facts remain that there are not enough fans and too many teams.
Full strength beer, seat warmers or $2 buckets of chips isn’t going to have them coming back to watch Carlton or St Kilda.
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Corporal Agarn Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #20

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I love these suggestions and some of them have definite merit, but I think it may have been pointed out earlier, that some games are just plain bloody boring to watch. I know the weather hasn't helped us much of late but when teams come with a clogging, defensive mindset(Brisbane), it's almost impossible to enjoy.
I liked Gary Lyon's comment last week when he said that Melbourne's win against Brisbane last week( 7.14 v 4.14,
I think) was the worst win he'd seen.......ever. and he kept emphasising ever.
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shane Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #21

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I wonder if any of the Victorian clubs have thought about not cheating and not throwing money around like they're in a hip hop music video as a means of improving their standing in the competition.
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Walter the baker Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #22

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Gary's trying to rewrite history in the hope that we don't remember some of the games he played in while at Melbourne.
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Nelson Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #23

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I'm not aware of any clubs that have been caught cheating, other than the tanking by Melbourne, Salary Cap rorting by Carlton and Draft Tampering by Adelaide - but I dont see how that would affect the crowds.

Another article today in the Age shows that the TV audience is also down - 9% nationally or 5% in Vic and 15% in Qld - WA is the only one with more watching. This is due to two possible factors - a large % of the fan base are fickle and show no interest when their teams arent winning (15% drop in qld is the example, with the WA audience increasing as a result of fickle slime bandwagoners jumping on board a winning team) and/or an unenjoyable not particularly entertaining game style.

I doubt that stadium uncomfortableness, cold pies, warm beer, weather etc has contributed to the decline in attendance as this has always been the case and to their credit the AFL has taken steps to address that.

So, a combination of timeslots more suited to tv audiences and the evolution to a not very entertaining game style have reduced attendance and an ugly game style has reduced tv audiences.

I think the AFL have acknowledged that time slots need to be more geared toward the attraction of live audiences rather than appeasing the TV rights holders - I have foxtel and this year more than most it appears to me that there are very few matches played at the same time these days, they seem to be alot more staggered so that i can now watch at least 6 or 7 of the nine games live. Problem with that is that probably more than half of AFL supporters only really want to watch their team or a blockbuster, or as in my case have a wife that wont allow you to watch 7 games a week. So that hasnt really worked.

We will see what the fixture next year looks like I suppose to see if the AFL want to do anything about it.

The next point, of course, is that alot fans (if you can call them that) really only want to watch, support and be part of a winning team. 10 of the 18 teams will be losers. So nothing much you can do there - although the number of teams in with a chance of making the eight right up to Rd23 has increased dramatically so equalisation is working.

As for the ugly game style, this is where alot of the debate has been centred around and quite rightly too. If you are a bottom 6 team and have been for a while, you need to develop in stages. Stage 1 is to learn and become consistent in defensive structures and a defensive mindset - you need to minimise big losing margins to instil confidence in the game plan, coach, players and structures, hence Stage 1 - limit the opposition scoring. This process could take a year or two (or in Melbourne's case a hell of a lot longer). Once that is bedded down you can start to work on attack once the defensive side of your game is instinctive. After another year or two working on that, you should be a high scoring finals bound team.

However, Malthouse proved over a long period of time that a miserly defence is more likely to win a GF than an exciting attack. Neesham demonstrated that a zone type defensive structure with a get the ball to space (back, sideways, forwards) to give you time to compose and set up a thrust forward is a winning form of attack - but the turnovers kill you. Clarkson has demonstrated that getting the right balance between the two is unbeatable if you have a team capable of doing it. Problem is the defensive, slow down, force a stoppage and a restart and flooding is providing coaches with wins. It is this that is lowering the fan base. And on this point there will be one million people with 1.5 million different opinions (assuming that half are female, who tend to change their mind alot) on how to fix this.

For mine, I like two ideas that have been floated - Clarkson suggests the way the umpires interpret the current rules should be realigned to the actual intent of the rules and that the rules are currently in place to rectify the issue already. The other is from Gerard Whately who suggests an all in, every option on the table summit take place over the summer to basically put every idea up for discussion and discuss it, with every legitimate stakeholder (coaches, ex-players, experts, AFL boffins, strategists, umpires etc) being involved.
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shane Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #24

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It affects the crowds because their teams are rubbish and the supporters don't go to the effort to get to the games every week.

Essendon and Carlton were both caught cheating at the end of the century and they both suffered for it. When they grew impatient, Carlton thought the best way out of the problem was to buy a coach and a captain and Essendon thought it was to buy up a dozen 'sports scientists' and see what happened.

If Essendon had taken a more ethical approach to their club then their steady rise would have them in contention for something at the moment. If Carlton knew how to run a football club within a budget then they might have had a good few years this century.

The stands were packed when Malthouse coached the Eagles and Magpies. Terry Wallace drew massive crowds when he was at the Bulldogs. Fremantle get over 30K to watch some terrible games of football.

Even the ugliest game as something worth seeing in it but if you want big crowds you need big clubs, with big rivalries to be win games. Carlton, Essendon, St Kilda and Melbourne just serve up weekly doses of despair. It's not even fun watching them get belted any more.
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LoyalSupporter Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #25

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TV audiences are down because AwFL has loaded the televised (free-to-air) matches in favour of Vic teams which are mostly crap this year. Ive only watched one Fri night game this year - last year I watched most.

When good non-Vic teams play they schedule a Vic match at same time & televise that so no one gets to see the great interstate players and get excited by them. This then rubs off into poor ground attendances because who wants to see an interstate team of nobodies? The AwFL doesn't talk up these teams in fact in Freo's case they are continually talking them down, sending them to Antarctica or the tropics where the crowds will be miniscule and doing everything in their power to suspend our great players. Start giving everyone a fair go with TV exposure and draw, talk up the interstate teams and more will watch/attend.
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Noddy Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #26

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Make at least a 1/3 of the stadium tiered standing to create more atmosphere. Ever been to a party where everyone sits down?
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Walter the baker Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #27

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To further emphasise Shane's last point, how many of us are hanging out for tonight's game between the Blues and the Hawks. It's not worth staying home for and it isn't worth a trip to the ground to watch. (Also, a waste of a Friday night fixture that most of us could have predicted 12 months ago.)
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Docker by the Sea Ways to bring back the crowds 8 years 9 months ago #28

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Agreed the problem has got a lot worse since the inclusion of the expansion teams, with a lot of footy that I can't be bothered with.
Begs the question how much better would the quality of football be with those 80 odd players distributed across 2 less teams? In the AFL's drive to expand the game have they actually decreased the quality of what is available?
Personally outside of watching Freo, I find the WAFL and local footy a more enjoyable brand?
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