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TOPIC: Time and Space

hypen Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #43

hypen
No the interchange has changed the game for the worse and football is losing the thing that made it great, repeated one on one contests around the ground.

The football in the 1st six weeks was awesome and then something just changed.
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point less Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #44

point less
Umpires have Hugh egos and spend too much time feeding them than umpiring the game correctly. I am fed-up with their bias,inconsistency and cheating.
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somethingstupid Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #45

somethingstupid
You're more or less right, Davo. I was WA boy and so only ever had a passing interest in the VFL when I was a kid (though I've got some vague memory of watching Ablett Sr kicking a bag of goals against Carlton). I stopped watching football altogether (even WAFL) when the Eagles started. While my heart's been with Fremantle right from 1994, I really didn't start watching footy again — bar occasionally attending SF GF appearances (the derby win in 97 was especially delicious) — until around 2003.

I guess I missed the golden era of footy. I'm surprised to hear that it was so brief.
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Rhufus Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #46

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The thing is Sandilands could reduce congestion just by smashing it wider - if he was instructed to. Except our Plan A is to drop it at his feet and let our big bodied mids just muscle it out. It works against most lower teams. Except the best teams have worked it out and either congest or in the case of Hawthorn merely surround us and let us congest ourselves, strip it and feed it to their peripheral deliverers like Mitchell.
We never have an easy win and it requires a supreme effort to get over the likes of Sydney, Pies etc.
How about developing a Plan B where we actually smash it wider? So what if we have to compete man on man without superior numbers. Let the better player win. I will back us in.
As far as why is the Slime looking so good ...its because NilStats, who is great at creating space at the bounce down knocks it wide for Shueeey and co. Its also one of the reasons we keep beating them because there is one ruckman he cant do it against ... 211.
I agree with Hypen again, we cant win this thing unless we change our clearance strategy.
Kudos to Roly though for not tagging Mitchell and lure him into a false sense of abundance with 39 possessions or whatever he got. I am assuming he will be tagged very aggressively in the GF by one of our blokes.
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Morgan Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #47

Morgan
To understand why Sandi doesn't smash it further / wider, you have to watch the way Sandi rucks. He's not a jump-off-one-leg ruckman who hits the ball at the top of this jump. His style is to get to the fall of the ball, plonk his body in the way, and then hit the ball. It basically lets him win almost every time. However, it's very hard to get much force on the ball when you are hitting it on the way down. Seriously, try jumping up and down on the spot, and then punch a ball on the way down and see how far you get it.

He has 'pushed' it wider this year to Fyfe when he can get two hands up, but he can only do that against certain ruckmen. Sadly, big Sandi doesn't have it in him to to the big Clark Keating whack it forward trick.

But the way Sandi rucks means he decides which side the ball comes down, and stops the other teams setting up, and minimises injuries to the big bloke. On balance, it's a win.

Sometimes you have to ask yourself if something seems so obvious, why don't the coaches do it? They get paid a lot of money to sit around thinking of things to do on a footy field. I'm pretty sure they have thought of 'hit it forward'.
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hypen Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #48

hypen
You have nailed it Rhufus, it's a nonsense to suggest any ruckman can't palm a ball 2 metres.

It's classic Mark Stone, watch them half an hour before the bounce practising, you will see three on three. Mark, you need to get an 15 from the crowd mate cause what you are simulating, it just ain't happening during the game.
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guy smiley Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #49

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'Hit it forward' is like bombing a kick up in the hope that it will land with one of yours, not one of theirs. Sometimes it works but it's a low percentage option. You can say we lose a lot of clearances then, compared to the number of hit outs Sandi gets... but the percentages tell you different. Freo move the ball forward from hot outs more than not.

There's a distortion effect going on here. Freo were on fire early in the year as we all mention repeatedly, then the last 5-6 weeks it's dried up. Coincidentally, AFL Operations manager Who Everheis has noticed that trend across the league and asked the coaches why they've started playing defensively when no change has been made from admin down re. rules and interpretations. You can't change the fact that coaches react to trends and tactics change accordingly. If you try and change a rule, they'll find a way around it. The interchange is the biggest change to footy having the biggest effect in that the overall speed of the game is much higher and that places more pressure on umpires... coupled with the relentless tiggy touchwood meddling with rules and interpretations under that big arsed bloke that's gone now and try to remember his name if you can be bothered but I can't...

I still think the game needs an effective interchange cap of some sort to slow it down a bit. However, I'm not blinded by nostalgia for lumbering full forwards employing sheer bulk to win the ball. Aerialists like Ablett and Modra are few and far between but there are some pretty bloody decent footy players doing absolutely outrageous things with the ball in every game nowadays, not just a handful of superstars. You have to remember too, that of the greatest goal scoring forwards to have played the game, 3 out of the top 5 played at the same time.. Ablett, Dunstall, and Plugger. That distorts golden memories a bit as well... a unique period in the game that shouldn't be relied too heavily upon to criticise what goes on these days.
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hypen Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #50

hypen
Just don't tap to your feet. Because we have three 90 kilo blokes standing there and it still doesn't work - they are battling eight players , it's about mixing it up to render the opponents "stoppage flood" void.

Our clearance work is awful atm - how are the fwds going, no-one truly knows that with a dysfunctioning mid field?
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Jezza Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #51

Jezza
Watching Goldstein last night destroy his opposing ruckmen and giving his mids first use was awesome. He never palms the ball straight down his feet. The 5m zone. His mids are outside this zone not in his pocket. IMO, Goldstein should be a Brownlow fav this year.
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guy smiley Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #52

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Well, we don't know what the players were told to do and how they executed.

We don't know what plans are in place to build (or not build) momentum into finals.

We don't know who might be carrying injury and how that might affect them.

All we do know is that Freo got thrashed by the Hawks after appearing to struggle over the preceding month of footy but that shouldn't mean the end of the world is nigh. You only have to look at that putrifying squirt of excrement that Dennis Commetti wrote the other day suggesting Freo are done to know things aren't as bad as some would have you believe. I always take the Hackdorn approach to DenDen's work, by the way. Believe the opposite and you'll be close to the guts of it.

What I do know is that Freo managed to get two games clear of the rest of the comp playing either half a game each week or playing ugly. Whatever else is going on, that stuff doesn't just erupt out of a Dennis Commetti novella. It happens in the real world and normally for a reason.

That reason is a decent footy team playing to its strengths. I choose to believe that is still the case and what we see happening in two months time will be a long way removed from what we see now. Well, you blokes will. I'll be holidaying a long way from television, myself.
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hypen Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #53

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And if you are in that space and the contest is between one of Fyfe, Mundy or Neale and their opponent, who you backing in?

I am looking forward to seeing Griffen back, he is a smart footballer.
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guy smiley Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #54

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I'm a bit anxious about Griff really. Not his ability, the chemistry between players thing. Sandi and Fyfe sparked a great partnership from day one. Griff hasn't enjoyed the same amount of time to gel with players. I'm intrigued to see how that works out, if he gets a decent run in the centre.

As for the space thing... someone needs to be designated as the blocker for Fyfe. Some big. Someone fast. Someone hungry.

Someone coming off suspension at the end of the season might be good.
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Morgan Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #55

Morgan
Jezza, Goldstein was great last night, but suggesting there was an opposition ruckman out there last night is being a bit generous.
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Drubbing Time and Space 8 years 9 months ago #56

Drubbing
Goldstein was decent in the middle, but opponents were playing against his own personal ump too.

Ask Sandliands what that feels like.
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