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Mushroom Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #1

Mushroom
New rule changes
  • Remove the requirement for a Player to start in the Goal Square at each centre ball-up
  • Introduce a Free Kick for the last disposal Out of Bounds in between the 50m arcs
  • At all centre ball-ups, a competing Ruck cannot cross the Centre Circle line and engage with the opposition Ruck, prior to contesting the football
  • Around the ground, the Umpire may restart play without a nominated Ruck being present
  • A shrug (in a tackle) will be deemed Prior Opportunity (i.e., as an attempt to evade or fend an opponent)
  • A Player must stand if they are within the Protected Area (i.e., within five metres) when a Mark or Free Kick occurs
  • Align the interpretation of ‘reasonable time’ for a Player to bring the football back into play from a Behind being scored and the time allowed for a set Kick around the ground. Currently, reasonable time for kick-ins is 12 seconds, whereas around the ground is eight (8) seconds. Players will now be allowed eight (8) seconds in both instances.


I am wondering
i) Whether we will see Sean Darcy in at centre throw ups any more - or how his technique will be changing this summer since it has traditionally been engage body contact or a stiff arm hold off before tapping

ii)How the hell they are going to interpret the stand thing? I envisage Uber-frustration from spectators and players on this. Imagine a contested pack mark with 3 or 4 crumbers hanging off the pack in case of a spillage. Everyone has to "stand" as soon as the mark is taken. The poor bugger with the ball who outskilled everyone with a super mark then has to negotiate moving the ball on with 6 or 7 people crowded around him within a 10-metre circle.

iii) It makes umpiring decisions easier but I predict that everyone is going to absolutely hate the last disposal out of bounds rule and its impact on plays, games and win/loss results. Every other game in the world has it, but none have the ability after it occurs to pump the ball forward up to 55 m with a kick that, if marked, results in an uninterrupted shot at goal.
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purple mao Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #2

purple mao
iv) why over-complicate the last possession oob rule with a supplementary rule about ‘obstructing’ or ‘not playing’ the ball before it crosses the line? This will be open to all sorts of interpretation and inconsistency, a new version of ‘insufficient intent’. It should just be last possession, end of story.
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Noddy Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #3

Noddy
8 seconds, 12 seconds???

Are they constantly stoned at AFL HQ?
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Bizkit Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #4

Bizkit
I prefer the last touch out of bounds between the arcs rule, it's far more clear and less open to interpretation. It's also incredibly rare that a player will shepherd the ball over the line and the consequence of doing it is just a ball up which would have been the case anyway. It's very simple and I've liked the rule where it's been applied like the AFLW. Far less controversial and a mess than insufficient intent which was so heavily bias towards umpire interpretation (and often, home crowd interpretation).

The ruck rule changes won't effect us much, Darcy was already a great run and jump ruckman with good size and athleticism, he showed that years ago and with more fitness, will continue in that vein. The worry I have is that increase in running, jumping and knees clashing. The whole point of the centre bounce changes were to restrict these clashes due to a raft of PCL and ACL injuries. Those injuries will return and we will lose the big ruck clashes as most of them spend their time on the sidelines.
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Raglan Matt Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #5

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PM, why have these dumb rules at all. If the bigwigs at awfl central want that crap in their game, apply for a job at Soccer Central or Rugby Australia.
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Mushroom Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #6

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It's just a last disposal out of bounds rule, Biz. So you can still grab it at pace and run, stumble, be bustled, fumble, tap and shepherd it over the line no worries. A team, possibly Collingwood, or Sydney, is going to lose a tight game some time where a kick not intended to go out of bounds takes a wild bounce and goes over the line then the free kick back into play goes straight inside 50 for a goal. There'll be uproar. This is going to fundamentally change what footy should be based on accidental coincidence.

Collingwood...Sydney... who cares? you say.

Well howsabout Luke Ryan plays on in the dying minute and kicks out to the corner of the square and Andy Brayshaw being the only gut runner to make a contest at half back when the rest of the field are out on their feet runs to the contested pack to get a toe poke forward or a ricochet off his shins that spins on an arc and goes out and Freo lose the semi final against Hawthorn as Sam Day belts in inside 50 to the sleazy false wizard Nick Watson on his own 30 m out after Ryan's play on. Goal. Siren. Despair. Curse that effing last possession out of bounds rule.

This rule is to take pressure off poor decision making coerced by the noise of affirmation, not to make the game better.
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Mercury Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #7

Mercury
Ruck: The lumbering ruckmen will no longer get a game. Only those who can leap will be effective.

Around the ground, the Umpire may restart play without a nominated Ruck being present: Am I reading this right? Rucks still have to nominate but if no ruck is present at the time the umpire decides the ball-up is to occur, the umpire tosses the ball in the air anyway and the surrounding players have to wait for the ball to hit the ground before they can contest for it.
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purple mao Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #8

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Yes Merc, that’s another one that seems unnecessarily complicated. Throw the ball up around the ground and any one player from each team should be able to contest it. Free kick paid if a third player goes up.
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Bizkit Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #9

Bizkit
If Brayshaw toe poked it forward from the contest in the current game, it would still be a free kick for insufficient intent Mushroom. It doesn't change anything there, it just eliminates an element of unnecessary umpire decision making that is often influenced by the crowd. Instead of having some occasions where the umpire doesn't pay it to appease the crowd, now those disposals out of bounds are always a free kick.

if the ball is touched out of play or run over the boundary, it's a normal throw in. There will still be deliberate out of bounds if you just grab the ball and run it over the boundary deliberately, this just removes the 2 times a game when the umpire can make a bad decision. It works well in the women's game and the SANFL games I've seen, I have no issue at all with it.

For the ruck contests, others can put their hand up to be in the ruck contest if the ruckman are too far away. The umpires aren't going to wait for the ruckman to get to the contest, they're just going to throw it up. You still won't be able to have a 3rd man up or interference with the ruckman though.
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Noddy Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #10

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Who would have thought…..the AFL…a mirror of world order/affairs….the rules constantly keep changing and most can’t understand what is going on or don’t like what they’re seeing.

AFL HQ….geniuses.
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Raglan Matt Rule changes 1 month 2 weeks ago #11

Raglan Matt
Biz, insufficient intent has been arbitary since it was brought in to the rules, all 7 of these changes are just window dressing to take attention away from the eagles package and draft inequities. None of them will actually change anything.
After goal advertising holds the game up more than any rule in the game, but the awfl will not dare to upset the player managers or Ch7 by foregoing some advertising revenue to shorten the length of the game.
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Mushroom Rule changes 1 month 1 week ago #12

Mushroom
I disagree with you that a toe poke forward can't be done with intent to keep the ball in play and moving forward yet inadvertently goes over the boundary line.

The other thing i mentioned was in inadvertent ricochet off Brayshaw's shin, i.e. someone kicks, punches, handpasses it into his leg below the below the knee, which is a kick, and sprays out of bounds.

There's no choice but a free kick now.

You just watch blokes like Papley, Butters or in yester-year Brent Harvey try to manufacture free kicks out of this.

It's a whole lot of what ifs, but if happenstance has to be from a human error of adjudicating I reckon that is, in many ways, more understandable and forgivable than black-and-white rule-making that changes the fundamentals of the game that is Australian Football and will have unintended and unwanted consequences.
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Bizkit Rule changes 1 month 1 week ago #13

Bizkit
Insufficient intent doesn't mean you had intent to put the ball out of bounds. Just that the effort made to keep the ball in play was insufficient. If you are soccering the ball off the ground then you aren't in control of the ball and the intent is likely to be deemed insufficient if the ball goes out of bounds. It's a simple rule in that sense and has been adjudicated that way under the current rules for years.

The new rule doesn't change anything about it except to stop the occasions where the umpire uses their own judgement to say it was sufficient intent. It removes that judgement.

Knocking the ball into someone's boots is something incredibly rare but if it happened, I don't see why that would be a problem. Players attempt to do that in the modern day to get free kicks for out on the full.

I should point out, this rule change if applied this year would have resulted in 2 more free kicks instead of throw ins per game, that's nothing. It's not a big change and eliminates a lot of umpire decision making in an area where that decision making is heavily influenced by the crowds calls for a free kick or not. It's a clear cut positive change for mine.
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Noddy Rule changes 1 month 1 week ago #14

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The AFL must spend hours analysing data, using venn diagrams and whiteboards and still can’t have push in the back, I’m assuming it’s still a rule, properly adjudicated.

Until they address the simple things, don’t bother determining whether 8 or 12 seconds is worth considering changing.
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