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Tragic Vale 1 month 1 week ago #1

Tragic
Cam McCarthy
Troy Selwood
Adam Hunter

I wonder how long it will take for the powers to be to realise that offering support to players after they have left the game may be too late.
Or maybe I see patterns where none exist.
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Quasimodo Vale 1 month 1 week ago #2

Quasimodo
Tragic the pattern is there. The AFL needs to do more to support young men during and after their careers.

I also think drafting at 18 is too young. Leave players at home in state leagues until 21 give them time to go to uni or work outside of football so they have some real world life and work skills to fall back on after AFL
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Tragic Vale 1 month 1 week ago #3

Tragic
I have previously stated my support to raise the draft age. I have however struggled to get research that supports that position. I have found a discussion promoting the opposite view
thesportjournal.org/article/age-requirem...-professional-sport/
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Mercury Vale 1 month 1 week ago #4

Mercury
I see two issues here. Firstly the need for ongoing support. (Tick. For sure. The AFL makes well in excess of the funds needed to improve upon what they do.) Secondly, the causation. How much should be directed back to the clubs for a lack of care when the player was under their control.

I am not saying that these players' original clubs could have done more to put them on a better path; I don't know that to be the case. But, it would be wrong to leave the consequences of a lack of care up to the AFL after clubs let their players slide towards the abyss.
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hypen Vale 1 month 1 week ago #5

hypen
I'm not doing this for the sake of an internet argument, but why should they and for how long? Or rather how should they and for how long?

What clubs should be doing is putting in a mountain of work prepping players for life post retirement when they are on a club's list. It's when you have control over them that counts.

And genuinely carrying the mindset that a player cultivating a dependence on drugs during their career at the club is a grave grave failing regardless of football success. Looking at you, Trevor.

I have no doubt a different club environment would have served some of these poor souls a lot better and I believe Hunter has carried learned behaviour at West Coast into post retirement. Support fifteen years post retirement - I don't know.

The AFL need to shape laws that don't put clubs at a competitive disadvantage when these young men prioritise their well being and lifestyle over dumbass football games. Clubs dealing with substance abuse properly equals playing less games of football.

It's the now I want to see improved. I want players leaving a club adjusted and equipped.

Vale Hunter and Selwood, they sound like they were great guys.
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Tragic Vale 3 weeks 6 days ago #6

Tragic
only the headline is important

I don't think I am just a burnt out cynic click

"Raising awareness without action or change is pointless. It assumes firstly that not enough people know about the problem, and secondly that if enough people did know about it, then that would fix the problem or mean that surely someone, somewhere, would do something about it."
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Noddy Vale 3 weeks 5 days ago #7

Noddy
I’m thinking of the example where two brothers or sisters are raised by parents under exactly the same love, care and conditions and one of the siblings for whatever reason head down a rocky road toward a bad outcome. Are football clubs any different?

I don’t think the AFL or clubs can be held accountable for every aberration of a good life. The exception is where there is clearly systemic cultural failure as occurred at the WC.

The age of blame needs to come to an end.
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Montrachet Vale 3 weeks 5 days ago #8

Montrachet
Agree Noddy, it may be factors outside of the household that lead to the person down the rocky road. e.g. one sibling is being bullied at school, or elsewhere, and rest of the family don't even know about it. Likewise, it may also be factors outside of the footy club that cause a former player's personal life to derail.

Some patterns may be emerging though, and concussion is no doubt a a factor in some cases.

It would also be interesting in to know if there is a link between players caught under the illicit drug three strike policy and negative outcomes post-footy. The AFL will be quick to deflect the blame onto clubs for player outcomes, but the clubs are forced to abide by this policy that probably doesn't help anyone.
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Corporal Agarn Vale 3 weeks 5 days ago #9

Corporal Agarn
Personally, as sad as it is I think there's quite a difference between Selwood and Hunter. Depression and delayed concussion is something that the AFL could be helping, but I'm not sure drug addiction is.
Just another sad and wasted life from West Coast's disgraceful win at all cost mantra even when they knew about the players and their drug issues. Then to have Worstfold come out and say all these nice blah blah blah comments when he could have done a lot more to stop him getting where he did was pathetic.
Hunter-deceased
Mainwaring-deceased
Kerr-mental issues and all sorts of trouble post football
Sharp(rookie listed)-gaol for armed robbery
Chick-drug issues post football
Fletcher-drug issues post football
Braun-police issues post football
Cousins and Gairdner seem to have turned themselves around

As a parent I'm sure you'd be happier for a healthy child than a premiership medallion.
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Gumnut Vale 3 weeks 2 days ago #10

Gumnut
The common denominator in most of these tragedies is John Worsfold and I think it's probably the reason why he has not been elevated to AFL Hall of Fame status. Those responsible for this know of all the behind the scenes stuff that went on while he was in charge. A lot of coaches these days do make some attempt to mould their charges into responsible adults and members of the community.
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