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TOPIC: AFL Tribunal a players perspective

Noddy AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #1

Noddy
Hamish Brayshaw thinks the Tribunal aren’t very good at their job. I don’t think he’s alone there. So much poor administration throughout the AFL, it’s bewildering. Good on him for taking them to task and highlighting some inconsistencies.

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-02/hamish-br...ter-to-afl/103794000
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Redned AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #2

Redned
His description in Para 4 of the letter is as good a summary of the process as you could get.
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rogerrocks AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #3

rogerrocks
He's very good. A few times each season a player is concussed after a collision with a teammate. These are genuine accidents. Unintentional, high contact, high impact. And I can accept that.

What I can't accept is a player taking less care with an opponent. The tribunal should always think, "What would he have done if it was his teammate?"
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Raglan Matt AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #4

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I wonder what the AFL reply will be. It is a scathing and accurate accusation. The AFL legal team can not afford to take this to any court of law except their own MRP or Tribunal. Their attempts to sue for defamation, or any other damages would be laughed out of any other court or jurisdiction in Australia.
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Eggy AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #5

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RM I think it will be "It's hard to always get the balance correct but we are all "Good Blokes" so nothing to see here, business as usual".

I think he articulated what we all feel.
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cookie AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #6

cookie
I have no argument with what Brayshaw said, but what’s the answer ?
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Morgan AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #7

Morgan
Hamish’s response is pretty measured for someone who has had to see his brother retire after his sixth concussion.

That said, I disagree with pretty much everything he says.
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grandpa AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #8

grandpa
Could you explain why please, Morgan?
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Raglan Matt AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #9

Raglan Matt
Have you got a spare couple of days Grandpa? Summarize it and message me.
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Noddy AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #10

Noddy
The premise of what he’s saying is fairly obvious to the average footy follower. That is, the AFL Tribunal system is inconsistent, very inconsistent.

Hamish has unloaded on the AFL, they’re an understanding lot and arrogant enough to take it.
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Sunny AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #11

Sunny
Totally agree with everything he says.
Maybe an ex player jury (recent ex players) to decide on the consequences and punishment and NO appeals so rich clubs can’t go to Kings council and get their player off. (Carlton and Patrick Cripps)
Football actions should be judged by football people and not lawyers.
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Morgan AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #12

Morgan
I’ll keep it to dot points.

i. “there will be no profanity or hyperbole in this letter.” Incorrect.

ii. “The tribunal and match review panel are single-handedly destroying the game.” Odd way to start if you’ve promised no hyperbole. The AFL had the highest attendance ever this year. The on-field play is pretty good. There are plenty of things wrong with the game, but on balance it’s in a good place and if it is being destroyed, it’s not single-handedly by the Tribunal.

iii. Then there is a scree about the different considerations the tribunal has to make in arriving at a decision. I think it’s to demonstrate he’s confused. I don’t doubt he’s confused, but I suspect it’s because he’s conflating different incidents. I’m wondering at this stage if Hamish knows what hyperbole means.

iv. “My brother is never going to play football again in his whole life because of a jumping smother that turned into a bump that collided with his head.” No, he’s not playing again because he had 6 concussions in a few years. To isolate Angus’ retirement to one incident ignores a lot of what we know about concussions.

v. “I can put my feelings for Angus aside.” C’mon Hamish, be honest wit yourself. Of course you can’t, and that’s ok. Angus basically threatened to get on a plane to beat up Gaff. That’s what you want from a brother. Not objectivity.

vi. “That was as big a defining moment for the tribunal as I can remember, and you went with protecting the sanctity of the game over the protection of the player.” The tribunal ruled on Maynard’s hit according to the rules in place at the time. That’s all they could do. The AFL didn’t like Maynard getting off so they changed the rules. Again, that’s all they could do. The next time the exact circumstance comes up again, let’s say in 2032, the tribunal will make a ruling based on the rules in place at that time. It obviously has to weight the sanctity of the game against safety.

vii. “Peter Wright and Toby Green, four weeks and one week respectively for football acts with not a whole lot of difference. Jeremy Finlayson got less than Peter Wright for a homophobic slur which once again highlights that nobody at the AFL really knows what's happening at the tribunal, you just make it up as you see fit.” I won’t go on about it, but my biggest bugbear is the call for consistency, like it’s the easiest thing in the world to provide. Each incident is different, and conflating homophobic speak with a bump in a marking contest, as evidence of inconsistency is self-evidently dumb. C’mon Hamish.

viii. “Matt Crouch has been given a week for picking the ball up the way every single kid playing football is taught to do it. There is goal square footage of Jesse Hogan punching his defender in the face, and he has admitted to swinging with force to try and push his opponent.” Again, conflating different instances with different rules applied to them is just really silly. There is no charge for attempted striking. Imagine how much inconsistency there would be if there was? The Tribunal would have to determine if every arm swing was an ‘attempt’ at striking. The Tribunal decided that Jesse’s strike was so glancing it wasn’t a strike. I think that’s reasonable.

ix. I’m with him about the Charlie Cameron thing. I think the Tribunal just didn’t want to disappoint Eddie Betts. Again, lost in the call for consistency is that notion that individuals making individual decisions as human beings make mistakes. I think they made a mistake here by not thinking through what it meant for the subsequent decisions. I bet if they could take it back they would.

x. “This is my last point and I am going to swear so beep this out if you want.’ Hamish, you just promised you weren’t going to swear. If you want to find consistency, how about starting with being consistent between the start and end of your letter?

xi. “You can't pick and choose when to dismiss certain things and when to change your views on others.” I’m sure to him this sounds like a point, but it’s just a whinge with no weight behind it other than he’s disappointed with the decisions on a number of completely different decisions.

The letter is 80% nonsense.
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jezzaargh AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #13

jezzaargh
Peter Wright compared to Toby Greene tribunal decisions is incomprehensible. I'd love you to articulate a sensible justification for the difference in penalties.

also, that post was hardly dot points, just sayin'
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grandpa AFL Tribunal a players perspective 1 month 2 weeks ago #14

grandpa
You have got some points there, Morgan, but 80% nonsense is a bit high. There are more examples of inconsistency in umpiring than there should be, in my opinion. Just one example was the glaring combination of umpiring errors made in our Carlton game.
Are you a lawyer, Morgan?
Just asking...
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