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TOPIC: Father Son rule clarification

Walter the baker Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #1

Walter the baker
Cricket season pondering.
Ignoring all the recent talk about academy access, I’m just seeking some clarification about the father son rule. While I really like the concept I don’t fully understand how it works, in particular for new teams.
Recent history shows the importance of FS access (eg Moore and Daicosx2).
From memory, when Freo were established we got some half baked FS concessions that took into account WAFL games played. We got bugger all from it then or since (according to wiki just Brett Peake. I thoughtClem Michael may have also been on the list but he must have been a straight pick
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_dr...her%E2%80%93son_rule)
As I understand it, its current structure requires fathers to have played 100 AFL games for the same club to be eligible.
Even at this stage, Freo would have few opportunities given that it has had very few players in its short history to have played the required number of games (before you even consider the age and talent of their progeny). Clubs like GWS and GC would have zero options given the need to wait at least 18 years before any offspring are eligible. By comparison, word is that Geelong have a bumper crop on the way (must be something in the water down there)
Recent history suggests that recently successful clubs like Western Bulldogs (Liberatore, Croft, Darcy), Geelong ((Hawkins), Collingwood (as mentioned) and Brisbane (Ashcroft, Fletcher) have benefited greatly from picking up a couple of cheap high end talents which have, or will, keep them ahead of the pack.
What concessions, if any, are made for expansion clubs as they seem to be missing out on this loophole?
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DrRPG Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #2

DrRPG
The NGA and Academy Programs for the newer teams are supposedly the leveller for the VFL Father Son signings.
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Walter the baker Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #3

Walter the baker
The NGA hasn’t really worked for Freo. Henry didn’t provide value to us, so Brandon Walker aside, the NGA hasn’t given us much to talk about compared to the talent coming through the NSW academy system. Has our development program been sub standard?

Plus, even if it was there, now we can’t even access top end talent anyway because we can’t jump the queue inside the top 40.
What’s the point of investing in the NGA if you can only access lucky dip picks.
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Bizkit Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #4

Bizkit
Victorian clubs also have NGA academies, they're not supposed to be any sort of leveler for F/S.
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Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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Eggy Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #5

Eggy
The history is nice and all, but it was the VFL was no better, or worse competition compared to the WAFL in its heyday.

I think the father son should be scrapped for all teams prior to the commencement of the AFL proper. Then have the 100 games played be the criteria.

If not, then allow the interstate teams to have access to two clubs each for Father Son for those that have played 100 games of WAFL SAFL.

At least that way someone like Brett Peak would stand a chance to be WA Father Son
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Raglan Matt Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #6

Raglan Matt
I agree Biz.

Oh, F/S means father son. I don't agree quite as much, Biz.
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Bizkit Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #7

Bizkit
Yeah father/son. The academies are designed to bring players from different/diverse backgrounds into the AFL and help give them opportunities they may not otherwise have. All the Victorian clubs also have academies and it has nothing to do with father/sons or helping balance the heavy advantage Victorian clubs have through the father/son system.
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Corporal Agarn Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #8

Corporal Agarn
I'm with Raggy. Quite okay with FFS.
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rogerrocks Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #9

rogerrocks
So ffs the fs rule is effing stupid?
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jezzaargh Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #10

jezzaargh
The father/son rule is a ridiculous pandering to the romanticism of a long gone VFL era.

Abolish it, along with the notion that VFL premierships are relevant to counting AFL premierships.
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DrRPG Father Son rule clarification 2 months 3 weeks ago #11

DrRPG
Footy A2Z on YouTube released this vid on the subject.

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jezzaargh Father Son rule clarification 2 months 2 weeks ago #12

jezzaargh
thanks Doc, enjoyed that

fans can appreciate the romance of it, despite the imbalance

FFS, indeed!!
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DrRPG Father Son rule clarification 2 months 2 weeks ago #13

DrRPG
Suck it you Princesses . Victim mentality overdose !!!!!
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jezzaargh Father Son rule clarification 2 months 2 weeks ago #14

jezzaargh
how much does the new role with the AFL Ministry of Thought pay, Doc?
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