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TOPIC: Hawthorn Racism Review

Noddy Hawthorn Racism Review 2 months 1 hour ago #183

Noddy
But people and reputations are being judged, without all the facts. Social media obviously has its benefits but clearly objective critical thinking is not always the case.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 2 months 36 minutes ago #184

shane
And people are free to do that.

There is, as I have demonstrated on many occasions, no obligation on people to base their opinions on facts.

If the AFL were banning him then they should base that on facts. People's thoughts do not share the same burden of proof.
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pollyanna Hawthorn Racism Review 2 months 33 minutes ago #185

pollyanna
Yeah, it's not like the movies - if it was, the AwFL would have this hitman that they would ring up and he would just go around with his shotty and solve the issue.
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Raglan Matt Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #186

Raglan Matt
Which, Polly, is why the victims are trying not to present themselves as targets. There are more than a few out there who would be willing to act as proxy "shotties" for the AFL and the accused.
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CaptSnooze Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #187

CaptSnooze
leaking to journalists, and subsequent media lynching, quite unsociable.
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moodindigo Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #188

moodindigo
I agree with you 90% of the way, Shane. There’s no trial. It’s not the State smearing people. People can form opinions on any stupid basis they choose. But as any good defamation lawyer will tell you, the best test of these situations is to conduct the thought experiment of assuming that the allegations are not true (and please don’t assume that’s my view: it’s a thought experiment). If they aren’t true, how do we then feel about the consequences for those who have been accused? The consequences are real and material. At best, Clarkson et al will win a costly defamation case. The taxpayer will (again) bail out the ABC for the damages. But most people will continue to assume forever that Clarkson et al are racist bullies.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #189

shane
What I was responding to was the idea that people should not form opinions until they hear all the evidence.

There's a difference between presenting something as a fact and presenting it as a person opinion. Audio recordings could come out with the entire conversation on them and there would still be people who held the opinion that Clarkson did nothing wrong.

It's overblown how much any of it matters. From what I've seen of his career, the actual repercussions of people thinking poorly of him seem yet to have manifested. And he's done plenty for them to form that poor opinion of him.
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Noddy Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #190

Noddy
Clearly and quite rightly people should have the right to form and express opinions.

Everyone is judged on their opinion and what that opinion is based on.

A wise person wouldn’t express an opinion on matters such as the alleged racist or improper or intimidating conduct of another person until the facts were clear, that’s the point I was putting across.
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pollyanna Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #191

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Another week passes - a big storm hits Florida; Putin holds some kind of don't vote nyet thing; the Palace reveal that the Queen died mysteriously of ...wait - yep, old age; some misguided whales followed the wrong guy onto a beach in Tassie and the sun comes out in Perth. Form a panel? Nup...working on it, sort of...hey, did someone say KFC?
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #192

shane
This could be a Velvet Underground song.
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pollyanna Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #193

pollyanna
This one?
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purple mao Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #194

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…and in the meantime Indigenous players Karl Amon and Bobby Hill seek moves to the two clubs that recent reports have claimed are beset by systemic racism.
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hypen Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #195

hypen
You think everything could be a Velvet Underground song.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #196

shane
I've been sitting here for way too long
Thinking everything could be a velvet underground song
I can see a dog over there in the park
But I'm wondering why he doesn't want to bark
Does the dog have nothing to say
Maybe he's religious. Do dogs pray?

Dogs and religion
Dogs and religion
They don't get on with the atheist pigeons
Dogs and religion
Dogs and religion
Why can't they love the atheist pigeons
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