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TOPIC: Hawthorn Racism Review

blockerhall Hawthorn Racism Review 2 months 3 hours ago #155

I don't reckon they are that great. Pretty sure I'm on record as such. But ain't no-one else gonna defend the PSA objectively in here. Insecure? Pfft. Negative. And after reading your last bit- err, no.
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hypen Hawthorn Racism Review 2 months 2 hours ago #156

Shane, that bit about going walkabout, were you quoting the West article? I'd like to read that article.
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Raglan Matt Hawthorn Racism Review 2 months 2 hours ago #157

Raglan Matt
How many of these stories have to be thrown at Australia before the perpetrators admit their guilt.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 2 months 28 minutes ago #158

hypen, it was in the link two messages above
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jezzaargh Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #159

Frad - why is it so hard to just take that statement at face value, without "smelling a rat"?

This was a review that provided a safe space for some difficult discussions, on a confidential and anonymous basis. Those who participated may not want (a) to have any publicity or (b) to repeat those discussions with someone else in a more challenging environment.

The journos leaking this had "public interests" at heart, not the interests of the individuals
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Blue1red1 Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #160

I'm just very sad people can not kick a footy around and have fun kicking a footy around without all the labels, etc because they are getting paid or not getting paid.
There is entertainment I get it.
There is fun I get it.
There is Competition I get that too.
I'm still sad, that we can not just have people kicking a footy, everyone all in , and we are able to have fun and just marvel at the talent on display and credit all the people involved for that!

Don't start me on how sad I get when I can't get Chicken Salt for my chips while watching people kicking a footy!
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #161

It remains profoundly disappointing that these matters are now being widely canvassed in the public domain without the opportunity being given to me or others to give our accounts

...says Clarkson in a statement published and broadcast around the country
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fradonjan Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #162

Surely you could not beleive that there are a lot of wheels going around at the momenmt,Agents desperately trying to save their clients jobs.Dont know who went to interview the families and players involved,saying we won't do more interviews about their grievances, ,but i'm pretty sure it was not the guy who put the story out there.
Hmmm how many stories have been quietened over here over the years,it's their first step of defence
Now we get the Russian Mafia label from a past official from the Hawks,broadening the culture that was there at the time .
The rat is too young to start smelling yet.
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fradonjan Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #163

This is part of the assistant coach statement re the Russian Mafia .an unnamed Hawks coach accused former Hawthorn player development manager Jason Burt, Clarkson, Fagan and former football boss Mark Evans of operating the football department “like The Russian Mafia”.

The report contained further allegations that Clarkson, Fagan and Burt used “bullying and intimidation’’ against First Nations players and their partners between 2010 and 2016. Some incidents were so serious to “amount to human rights abuses’’.
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shane Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #164

This is one of those times when you need to stop talking, fradonjan.
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fradonjan Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #165

This from an article to appear in tommorows west,this is part of Clarksons statement Alastair Clarkson claims any investigations into the allegations made in the Hawthorn racism review will be “irrevocably corrupted” due to the widespread reporting of the claims and says he has “grave concerns” about getting a fair process.
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fradonjan Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #166

i think i would be in a long que.
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Corporal Agarn Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #167

Corporal Agarn
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grandpa Hawthorn Racism Review 1 month 4 weeks ago #168

jezzaargh, I believe the Hawthorn review was carried out with due sensitivity and concern for the participants, and they almost certainly didn't want any publicity or to have to repeat the review in the glare of public spotlights, but publicity is undoubtedly what they now must endure. But any "public interests" the leaky journos had were, I feel quite sure, easily swamped by considerations of personal bylines under some sensational reportage.

I reckon that when the allegations surfaced, most if not all Dockerlanders were ready to hang, draw and quarter all three of the alleged perpetrators, so horrible were the details reported. No one in their right mind wants to believe that such things that were alleged could happen in near-current times.

Clarkson and Fagan have strongly denied all allegations, which is surely to be expected. But Clarkson has also claimed that so far the process of dealing with them has been anything but fair natural justice, and considering that the reputations of these three men have clearly been trashed by the media publicity, it seems reasonable to me to think he has a point.

I'm not saying I disbelieve the allegations, or that I think the three men are innocent. What I am saying is that I believe they are innocent unless proven guilty in a fair and just process.
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