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TOPIC: The Draft

shane The Draft 1 month 3 weeks ago #351

shane
I think the problem comes from people thinking they can know something that it unknowable. There needs to be more admission that there is a huge amount of guesswork and luck and it all heavily relies on intuition.

The number of players who, 3 years later, could be traded for the pick they were taken at is not at a level that suggests it's a reliable process. I don't think that's because people are bad and their jobs, I think it's because you cannot reliably predict a senior football career from a junior football career.
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Dockermus The Draft 1 month 3 weeks ago #352

Dockermus
Pav has a few insights about this year’s draft, that he’s been sharing with his new mates at Ch 9:

Pav’s view

The article’s 5 days old. Pretty sure at least some of you will have already seen it.
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Raglan Matt The Draft 1 month 3 weeks ago #353

Raglan Matt
That's my point, Shane, and the more they bring performance metrics into selection, the further they get away from footy brains. Hence the sliding of players like Darcy, Walters, Ryan, Haselby?, and even Fyfe. I'm only using Freo names because they are the ones I notice more.
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pollyanna The Draft 1 month 3 weeks ago #354

pollyanna
Played his guts out for us for years and most of us can't get his surname right. Tell you what, if Hasleby got drafted by a Victorian club it's doubtful his legacy would pose such a conundrum.

Then there's other blokes - like Stephen's brother or that little chubby cowboy fella - where no one even remembers them at all, out the door and erased from the memory bank.
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Raglan Matt The Draft 1 month 3 weeks ago #355

Raglan Matt
Jeez, Polly, you are brave putting "Hasleby" & "Guts" in the same post.
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shane The Draft 1 month 3 weeks ago #356

shane
He was looking very trim, up at the unveiling of his statue thing in Northampton.
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shane The Draft 1 month 3 weeks ago #357

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pollyanna The Draft 1 month 3 weeks ago #358

pollyanna
Now there's a draftee - someone you can always count on to lift you to the win in a Derby. Game in, game out plays like a champ - along comes a Derby and he turns into SuperHase.
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Bizkit The Draft 1 month 2 weeks ago #359

Bizkit
Expecting someone at a selection to be worth exactly that is more of a problem.

Just because someone is picked at a selection, does not mean they're worth that selection. Kids are selected ahead or after where they should be talent wise based on needs, locality, position and so many different reasons. Neither is the pick someone is traded for later in their career an accurate measure of their talent when drafted. The two aren't particularly correlated.

You could pick someone high based on their talent but if they don't have the work ethic, the support at the club and the right system to develop them, they aren't going to amount to much. Similarly, someone with less talent could be picked up late but work hard, have a great support network, coaches building systems around them and excel in their development.

Earlier draft picks give you access to the best talent and if your talent ID is as good as ours has been the past 5 years, you can make great use of it. There's a very high rate of good talent prediction on draft day but that's only part of the equation.
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Corporal Agarn The Draft 1 month 2 weeks ago #360

Corporal Agarn
A bit different to Daniel Chick. Had to ask someone if that was him in that Northampton photo.
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Raglan Matt The Draft 1 month 2 weeks ago #361

Raglan Matt
Equivocation plays a big part in judging the draft then.
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Walter the baker The Draft 1 month 2 weeks ago #362

Walter the baker
I just tried to find the Daniel Chick pic that was referred to in that last post. Google referred me to links for Adam Hunter, Daniel Kerr and Ben Cousins. I bet Chad Fletcher is wondering why he doesn’t get a mention.
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Raglan Matt The Draft 1 month 2 weeks ago #363

Raglan Matt
Being named "Chad" would be a good place to start.
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shane The Draft 1 month 2 weeks ago #364

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