TOPIC: Carlton's Cripps

Detox Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #15

Detox
Its a yes for me. You say he is overrated but I reckon he is harshly treated. The media love trying to bring him down a bit like they do for Fyfe. They try and highlight the things he does wrong rather all the things that he does do. He is a bull and 2 years ago he was the best player in the game. I sort of think that the media say he has a bad game when he only gets 25 touches and 5 clearances which is a great game for most of the players in the AFL.

Don't get me wrong I think that Shai Bolton would be better for our overall mix with that breakaway speed but Cripps is a bloody good player and with a free agent we might be able to get him for nothing if we call their bluff about matching an offer. We could front end it so the Blues coudn't match it in their salary cap after recently signing Harry McKay. They have also paid big money to other players like Zac Williams and Adam Saad.
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Raglan Matt Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #16

Raglan Matt
We have already got 2 or 3 Cripps', we need a Bolton.
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shane Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #17

shane
A packet of Cripps
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The_Yeti Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #18

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Chicken Salted Cripps?
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Matebe Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #19

Matebe
It’s the year 2021. Ross Lyon was sacked as Dockers coach 2 years ago. Take off another 4 years where he was asleep at the wheel. Brings us back to 2015. His inside opinions about the Dockers are almost as outdated as his game plan. The media needs to do better. Who cares about his views. Yawn.
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Dropkick Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #20

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Go for Cripps, I say. 4 yrs younger than Nat, seems an ideal successor in a good team environment. I would miss Adam's very slowly improving displays of silky skills as an outside-mid. But also hoping Hayden Young would be a natural in that role, if he can stay on the park.
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DS Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #21

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The last couple of lines make you think he is staying.

www.afl.com.au/news/634706/-it-s-easy-to...his-under-fire-coach
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Bizkit Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #22

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Cripps isn't a priority but if he came over for nothing but salary cap space then that'd be a great result for us. I wouldn't go trading for him though, he doesn't fit our age profile and team balance requirements (and I worry about how his body is holding up). We have Fyfe already with Brayshaw and Serong the inside mid heirs apparent. The inside word for the last year or so has been his partner wants to be back in WA but that seems to be the case with everyone potentially returning home.

Jordan Clark would be feeling on the outer at the Cats and hopefully cost around a late second/third round pick. He plays a role we very much require and is in the perfect age bracket. The Cats have gone all out at a premiership at the moment with a lot of old players holding Clark out and a huge drop in performance on the horizon as those players age out. I can't see Clark wanting to stay at this point when he could join us on the rise and cement a spot in our best 22 for the next decade. I'd be happy to grab him.

Bolton not signing for Richmond yet also raises a few eyebrows although it'd be tough to leave a side you're winning premierships at. I can't see us being able to offer anything of value unless Cerra goes and personally, I don't think he will. The whole 2yr vs 4yr contract argument has been at a stalemate for months and Freo will fold on that and take Cerra for 2yrs. As a result, we won't have the collateral to deal for Bolton. If Bolton is desperate to get back to WA, maybe we can bend Richmond over since the OOFTIT's are in a pretty bad trade position but I very much doubt it.
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bozza Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #23

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Biz, it would be nice to get J Clark for a late 2nd early 3rd but with the Cats history of playing hard ball at the trade table we have no chance at that in my opinion. They will hold him to his contract unless they get fair value or slightly overs for a contracted player who was taken in the first round only a couple of years ago.
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Bizkit Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #24

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Clark was selected very late in the first round (15) and has suffered a number of injuries that have impacted his development. He only played 3 games last year and has barely played this season, mostly as the medical sub. If he isn't getting much of a go atm, I can't see how you can demand any more than a pick in the 30's at best, regardless of contract status.

The Cats have had plenty of outs/injuries and still Clark struggles to get in the side, let alone in one of his preferred positions at half back or on a wing. If he's disgruntled and wants out, they'll let him go. Kelly was a different proposition for mine as he was a key member of their side and had only just arrived. That and the OOFTIT's weren't offering anywhere near his value.
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blockerhall Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #25

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Cripps is 26. If you could get him I'd play him outside on a wing. Would really impact our game plan. Probably an upgrade on Acres, but bloody expensive. Bolton is talented, no doubt, but him, Henry, and Walters as creative forwards up front doesn't work for me, not even looking at the Colyer role. Although Son Son is totally out of form. But again, an expensive, probably impossible get.

TLDR; best thing for Freo is to sign Cerra, and see if we can slide JC out of Geelong cheaply. Then profit!
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Morgan Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #26

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I think people are undervaluing how good Cripps is (he was one of the Brownlow favourites before the season). Whether his dip in performance the last couple of years is related to specific injuries, or more akin to wear-and-tear, is a genuine question. Peter Bell talks a great game when it comes to player due diligence, but our outcomes on some of our bigger trade swings have been poor.

As a trade for Cerra, it’s a numbers game. On age projections alone you’d think Cerra has twice as many games left in him as Cripps. Are Cripps’ games likely to be twice as valuable? Not likely. Six months ago you could have talked me into Cripps allowing Fyfe to play forward more, but I’m not sure that’s in our interests.

If it was on the table, I’d rather get their first round pick (say, pick 5) and SPS, than put our draft and salary cap eggs in one basket for Cripps. If you look at our midfield, I think for the next 5 years we’ll have Serong to provide the grunt, Brayshaw the running power, and Young (and maybe Henry) the class. You could add Cripps to make a pretty formidable unit, but unless you think Treacy is going to be an elite forward, I think we could use an early pick to bring in a guy who can take a grab forward given Tabs and Lobb are in their late 20s.

I think we need a bit of dash on the wings, so I’d happily give an early second round pick for Clark; but only if we were still picking early for a KPP, hence why I’d prefer Carlton’s pick and a player than Cripps alone.

Of course, underneath all of this is JLo trying to build a culture at Freo. I understand why Cerra might want to go home and keep his options open on a 2 year deal, but ideally you want buy-in from star players who want to come/stay and for less money than they could get elsewhere. If keeping/getting guys like Cerra/Bolton means spending more than the next club, then it puts a limit on Freo’s ceiling. Paying Cerra big bucks to keep him is understandable, but it creates inflationary precedent for Freo when Serong and Young’s managers come to the table.
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bozza Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #27

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Yeah Biz I hear your point but late 20s early 30s it will need to be I think. Late 2nd round early third is a pick in the 40s and that doesn’t get it done.
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Bizkit Carlton's Cripps 1 month 1 week ago #28

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Our second pick is likely to be in that 20 range which is too high for Clark. Unless we do some pick shuffling to drop down to the 30's then the 40 range (our third) is likely what we have to offer.

Personally I'd like to keep our first 2 picks at this stage, the draft is looking like providing a fair bit of value there and we can grab Motlop with our late picks assuming he makes it past 20. There are a lot of quality mids in this draft mixed with a bunch of good tall west aussies. If we're trading out our second pick then I'd be wanting more in return than just Clark.
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