TOPIC: Freo v Essendon

Raglan Matt Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 23 hours ago #127

Raglan Matt
Treacy in for 1 of the smalls, and just Schultz & Henry as smalls would open things up for Henry (or Western for that matter) and mean his size is an asset through his speed. Our forward line has crowded him, and made it easy for the opposition to contain him. Giving him bursts up on the wing could be exciting as well.

As for Walters, put him on ball for the same reason, but he needs to get more protection from the umps. He can be a dangerous forward playing in the middle as he has shown plenty of times, I think most of his multi goal games have been when he has been played up the ground.
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shane Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 22 hours ago #128

shane
You've made the point about Walters and the umpires. No need to bang on about it in every topic.
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rogerrocks Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 19 hours ago #129

rogerrocks
We could just have a permanent thread for "Walters is out of form", and another for "The umpires hate us".
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exceed Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 18 hours ago #130

exceed
I really would like to make finals this year - 5 miserable years is too many.
But I won’t mind missing this year if we can develop for the long term. Please keep playing Liam ( he is not up to it I know) and treacy.

I would rather lose and get development.

This 4 small man forward line is just not threatening enough. Other than Shultz to a minor extent the others donot have any areial presence whatsoever , or that much drop of the ball fear factor either. They are simply small. I love crowden but he does not do enough. Treacy in for crowden or western in for Liam. Honestly I would leave Lobb out as well and play Meeks. We lose too much when Lobb goes into the ruck and he does not use his mobility to hunt the ball or run hard to provide that get out option we so badly need. His physicality is that of a small skinny man.
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rogerrocks Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 14 hours ago #131

rogerrocks
I don't know. Lobb has looked very useful to me.
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CaptSnooze Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 14 hours ago #132

CaptSnooze
Lobb positions himself well and is a decent mark. They didn't kick to him when he was playing out of the goalsquare though. Story of the match really.
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CaptSnooze Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 14 hours ago #133

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But there is something to be said for plonking Treacy and/or Meek up there to take the heat off Tabs. Perhaps both.
We become too predictable otherwise, and defenders just pick off our i50's with impunity.
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Corporal Agarn Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 3 hours ago #134

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Surely part of Lobb's role is to be a big key forward taking the heat off Tabs. Unfortunately he never really does that or stamps his authority on a game. We get stuck into Darling but he is the slime's second big forward and is more mobile and kicks a lot more goals.
Our forward line consists of Tabener contributing every week and then a raffle as to who might bob up with the occasional goal from the rest.
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shane Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 3 hours ago #135

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Why does everyone have to take the heat of Taberner if he's going gungbusters.

Lobb took some really strong marks around the goals, kicked a very important goal and would have had another goal but Taberner took his man back to the goal line for the ball to be touched, instead of taking him in the other direction.

Taberner is our Darling. We need a Kennedy.
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Corporal Agarn Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 3 hours ago #136

Corporal Agarn
Is Lobb good enough to be our Kennedy then if we used him as a permanent forward and played Meek to support Darcy?
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CaptSnooze Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 2 hours ago #137

CaptSnooze
Now he has found his kicking boots, yes.
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Eventually Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 2 hours ago #138

Eventually
Our talls looked at their best earlier in the season with Meek rucking and allowing Darcy to rest a lot longer forward. Lobb has replaced Treacy but is expected to ruck, surely it is worth having a look at how Lobby goes as a permanent forward with Meek filling the second ruck roll but rotated from the bench more so than going forward. This is a structure that the other mob run with and it plays out well for them.
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Morgan Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 1 hour ago #139

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I didn’t really comment on the Essendon game, because it was all very predictable and disappointing. It’s the same old issues, and I didn’t really think I had anything to add (I know it’s rare). But with the benefit of a few days and seeing how others saw it, it turns out I do have some views.

The main view is that I think the team is fine. Our backline is holding up despite being cobbled together by second-stringers (Essendon scored some cheap goals that defenders like Hamling or Ryan would have prevented). Our midfield looks solid. Darcy would be my tip for the Doig this year, and is flat-out clowning other ruckmen.

The problem is we have an inefficient forward line while playing in an era where there has never been a worse time to have an inefficient forward line.

Tabs is a good player, but his scoring output to opportunities ratio isn’t elite; yet he is the focus of almost every attack. It’s too predictable. Lobb is a good player, but there’s too much overlap with Tabs. Fyfe is a superstar who has been incredibly wasteful this year. Walters was the one guy in the forward line you could rely on to take his chances, and it’s just not there for him at the moment (at his worst he’s still a useful player).

Our other small forwards don’t create enough chances. You could talk me into any one of our small forwards being a useful player, but their inability to collectively hit the scoreboard is a worry. Crowden, for example, has played exclusively as a forward and has scored 0.2 in 5 games. How is that even possible?

Henry has been disappointing. It’s still really early and he’s struggled to get continuity, but he’s just not getting near it at the moment. Looking at his draft, it’s difficult not to look at Kysaiah Pickett taken a few picks later and think that the gap between the two shouldn’t be so great (Henry is averaging 7 touches, 0.5 goals and 1 tackle a game to Kozzy’s 14 touches, 1.7 goals and 3.8 tackles).

Where I differ from a lot on here is the solutions. I don’t understand how Lobb has become such a whipping boy. He’s come off an interrupted pre-season, and is third in the team for contested marks behind Tabs and Fyfe (and just ahead of Darcy), down a bit from last year when he was top 5 in the league. His marks per game (5.2) are streets head of guys like Treacy (3.0) and Meek (1.0). The only way those guys make life easier for Tabs is if their opposition hasn’t read the pre-game scouting report. Darcy is close to the best ruckman in the league at the moment. Just let him do his thing. In the middle.

What I don’t understand is the strategy of slowing up our entries into the 50 just to lob it up to Tabs with a million blokes around him. It’s a horribly inefficient way to score goals. It’s seems like the sort of strategy you have when you don’t want the ball rebounding to the other end, but when scoring has been the issue for JLo’s entire stint (and about 5 years before that), why wouldn’t you open the game up a little?

And I know there’s nothing to be done about it now, but Shane’s right that we need a Kennedy, but the closest we had Freo gave up on. A Hogan/Tabs (and occasionally Lobb) forward paring is a near perfect blend.

There’s a version of the current forward line that works, but it needs a bloke like Sturt or Henry to turn into a goal-scoring threat, and we need Fyfe and Walters to pull their finger out playing forward. We also need a way to get easy goals, and that means an option other than looping the ball on Tabs or Lobb’s heads. Personally, I think it needs faster ball movement and a player leading at the ball. I don’t think it needs big goombas like Meek who are slower than our other big goobas but who can’t mark.

Our injuries haven’t allowed it, but if even half of our defenders are fit, then you’d have to consider moving Cox or Logue forward to see how it looked. Cox has the smarts and timing to get easy goals, and Logue has the athleticism to scare defenders.
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Eventually Freo v Essendon 4 weeks 1 hour ago #140

Eventually
Agree with Morgan almost completely but think the short term forward solution is achieved by rucking Meek. Once Pearce is back I would definitely move Logue forward and have him changing with Fyfe on the ball giving us a permanent extra tall in the forward half which then allows us to just ruck Darcy with Lobb helping out for 5 each quarter.
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