TOPIC: Derby Hatred

Bizkit Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #1

Bizkit
I don't know about you guys but I'm still fuming and hurting from our pathetic performance last weekend. Ever since RL took over and started playing down the derbies as just another game, we let go of our grip on them and have suffered some of our most heartbreaking losses.

The Showdown is on this weekend and Port haven't shied away from declaring their hatred and the reasons this game isn't just another home and away match. I love to see this, our game is tribal and that us vs them mentality can be powerful and the reason we support a club.

Ahead of the derby rematch later in the year, I want to see us build it up. I want to see the players told this game is big, this game means more. Get Dale Kickett in, get Clive in, get One Punch Dodd down to speak to the boys. Tell the players how hard we fought to get into the comp, to form an identity. How the OOFTIT's tried to stop us, bully us and restrict our access to WA talent. How they put up as many walls as possible to stop us being successful. How they've tainted WA footy over the past few decades and how much history is behind us as a footy club representing Freo. Get them fired up, get them angry and send them out to belt the hell out of the OOFTIT's physically and on the scoreboard.

A derby is as close as you get to a final during the regular season so if we're repeatedly failing to win them and in a poor manner, we're not going to do much in September. I want to see us stand up and prove ourselves, flatten the OOFTIT's and start a new era.
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Morgan Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #2

Morgan
Bizkit, I agree, but I can’t see that happening with JLo at the helm. He’s pretty even-keeled, and he was a West Coast coach for almost as long as he was at Freo as a player, so I can’t imagine he hates them the way the fans do.

Besides, for over a decade the Fremantle Football Club has not-so-secretly wanted to be West Coast; they can’t really hate what they aspire to be. It’s galling.

Surely there is a way to put Josh Carr in charge of the club for two rounds a season. We’ll call it a development opportunity or something.
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pollyanna Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #3

pollyanna
Totally agree with Biz - I've had a gutfull of 'learning experiences', that is not who we are. Put aside who we want to be and let's strive to reclaim who we are. We are Freo - not Cockburn-hoping-to-play-playoffs - we are better Than Them.
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Quasimodo Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #4

Quasimodo
I know I hate them. I expect the team I support to hate them too.
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Drubbing Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #5

Drubbing
Clearly, for 11 games straight, we're not.
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pollyanna Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #6

pollyanna
I'm not impartial in any sense of the word, but the Showdown games are the second best fixtures in the home and away season. For God's sake, make them standalone broadcasts on free to air - what is the matter with those scheduling numbnuts at AwFL Control?
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demo1 Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #7

demo1
Spot on Biz..
It annoys me no end.
I said to my wife after the last few derby losses- we simply dont hate them enough.
We should do- they make us look terribly average in a 2 team town and we should hate everything they represent.
Pavs book was pretty clear that the old Freo players despised the WCE and took pleasure in beating them up and beating them. We are too matey with them.
Many ex players have confirmed as much personally
Seeing Sonny & Liam H in Nic Nats room regularly during the covid lockdown in the Amazon doco was galling.
Enough of the matey crap after the siren with them too
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Morgan Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #8

Morgan
Interestingly, adjusting for how good the teams are in any given year, our performance in the Derbies is actually almost perfectly on trend.

By my very quick check, only twice since 2010 has Freo or West Coast won a Derby when they finished lower on the ladder at the end of the year: We won once in 2012 (when we finished 7th and West Coast finished 5th). West Coast won once in 2015 when we finished 1st and they finished 2nd. Otherwise, ladder position at the end of the season is a perfect predictor of who will win the Derby.

West Coast don’t outperform in Derbies, and we don’t underperform. We’ve just been a worse team overall more often. As a hard-headed footy coach, I can see why a specific game might not be the focus. If the team improves, the Derbies will take care of themselves.

Note: I'm not a hard-headed football coach, so I still agree with Bizkit.
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expat Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #9

expat
Where's Sandi's angry pills when you need them?
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Drubbing Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #10

Drubbing
That hypothesis couldn't stand up if was braced with cement.

Not winning one for 6 years has zero to do with where Freo and WC finish in a given year.

Freo win plenty of other games. But they suck like a nuclear-powered Dyson at Derbies.

WC didn't even give them McGovern to kick it to this time, and still got pantsed.
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Bizkit Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #11

Bizkit
You must have stopped at a convenient time there Morgan.

We finished below the OOFTITS in every season from 2006 to 2009 except one (where they finished in the position directly below us) and we won 7 of 8 derbies.

We should be far better than we've shown and it needs to change asap.
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Morgan Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #12

Morgan
I just started at 2010 because I wanted to get a full decade in.

But yes, Bizkit we won a lot of Derbies before that. In fact, we've won 15 of the last 30 Derbies, which means we probably outperform in Derbies relative to regular games over a sustained period of time.

We've been awful in Derbies since 2016, which overlaps with when we've been generally awful.
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Corporal Agarn Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #13

Corporal Agarn
I think we're all sick of our general awfulness and that's compounded by our derby awfulness.
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kidmaple Derby Hatred 1 month 1 week ago #14

kidmaple
demo1 - pretty sure Sonny and Nic Nat grew up on the same street (along with Chris Yarran), so they are good mates from way back. No excuse for LH, though...
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