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TOPIC: Ned

hypen Ned 1 month 1 week ago #1

hypen
This fella Ned Guy has left Collingwood, he was their list manager. And last season this happened during trade week.

Ins
Pick 14, 65, 70 and 2022 2nd rounder

Out
Treloar
Phillips
Stephenson
Bosenavulagi
Picks 26,33, 39 & 42.

Its a train wreck. Please don't tell me monkhurst has a 17yo son playing that is a star and they are accumulating points or whatever. That is just as bad as it gets. How? Did other clubs know they had cap pressure? Biz, what is going on?
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The_Yeti Ned 1 month 1 week ago #2

The_Yeti
This is exactly why you don't drink and draft.
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shane Ned 1 month 1 week ago #3

shane
I've had a theory that there's been a bit of futures trading on the side going on at Collingwood.
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rogerrocks Ned 1 month 1 week ago #4

rogerrocks
They didn't want high draft picks because they might cause salary cap pressures in the future?
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Corporal Agarn Ned 1 month 1 week ago #5

Corporal Agarn
Didn't they give Grundy a massive contract which then caused all these problems.
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FDB Ned 1 month 1 week ago #6

FDB
Well look if he’s available I say go for it.
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Walter the baker Ned 1 month 1 week ago #7

Walter the baker
Ned “Fall” Guy was the face of this debacle but he wasn’t alone in its making.
Seven year deals such as Grundy’s don’t get done without senior coach support and board approval. Furthermore, salary cap issues don’t suddenly appear in trade week, they are a tsunami that you can predict a couple of years out. They also went in big time on their ‘premiership window’, including a dud trade for Beams.
They are in a world of pain with (i) a potential extraordinary general meeting being touted by a group that want to take over the post McGuire board and (ii) the daily speculation around Buckley’s position.
There could be a few tough years ahead even if they manage to pick up a dozen father-son Daicos offspring.
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hypen Ned 1 month 1 week ago #8

hypen
That explains a bit Walter, but it doesn't explain how you move Treloar out for anything under pick 15 , Stephenson the same. And Phillips not far behind.
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pollyanna Ned 1 month 1 week ago #9

pollyanna
An EGM is warranted - facing a bottoming out is different than creating one. They created their own mess and it was uncalled for.
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Bizkit Ned 1 month 1 week ago #10

Bizkit
This is a lesson on signing players to big long term contracts. You need to be 100% certain they're worth it because if it goes haywire, you blow up your list.

They had to shovel out as much cash as they could and accept whatever draft capital was offered. With no clubs wanting to take on the ridiculously large contracts Treloar, Stephenson and Phillips were currently running around under, they couldn't demand draft picks of their worth.

Even if they could've received those top draft picks, they weren't as valuable to the Pies given they'd be soaked up by an early bid on Daicos. They probably didn't factor in a potential bottom 4 finish which could have given them a pick ahead of a bid.

Horne is still the clear number one pick for mine but Daicos probably firmed for the number 2 slot after the academy game against Geelong although I didn't think his high possession numbers were particularly useful ones. If the Roos beat them this weekend and potentially send them to the bottom of the ladder, they've given up on Horne which is an absolute calamity.
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shane Ned 1 month 1 week ago #11

shane
That's because player agencies were running a ponzi scheme against the clubs. They were paying players wages they could afford based on future tv rights deals going up and up. The first blip in the rivers of tv rights gold came along and everyone realised how dangerous a position they were in. Rather than being caught out, I would think that Collingwood were one of the clubs that got in front of it by doing this. Other clubs will take a bigger hit down the track. Particularly team that have won a premiership and had to pay the "premiership player" to middle tier players.
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Walter the baker Ned 1 month 1 week ago #12

Walter the baker
You make a great point about TV rights Shane. There is an assumption that you can backend contracts with the expectation that the TV rights deals will increase and there will be a flow on to increased salary caps. History and the experience of overseas leagues would support this approach if the sporting world continues to behave as it has over the last 30 years. But if you throw in a curve ball like COVID then you are in strife. Agility with budgets during uncertain times is now a much higher priority, however, agility is obvioulsy comprimised with long term high income commitments.
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pollyanna Ned 1 month 1 week ago #13

pollyanna
Theres always the Visy Packaging/Chris Dudd option - sort of a signed Lygon Street brown bag agreement - that can sort out excessive wage demands on your cap. But then you end up with the bloke on your Bored - not sure if Beams is corporate management material though.
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Morgan Ned 1 month 1 week ago #14

Morgan
Collingwood were an extremely flukey chain of events away from winning a flag in 2018, and lost a prelim by a kick in 2019. It would have been pretty difficult to let Stephenson and Treloar (or others) leave at the end of 2018 and 2019 respectively on the back of those performances, so they overpaid. The same fans that are annoyed by losing them last year for basically nothing would have been more annoyed at losing them for basically nothing when they were in flag contention.

There is always a reckoning, but a combination of COVID and finishing 8th last season really brought that forward.

What’s a bit surprising to me is that Freo don’t have any salary cap room at the moment, despite not having sniffed finals for ages.
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