TOPIC: Rioli suspension

demo1 Rioli suspension 2 months 3 days ago #15

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There is a global pandemic on, things arent exactly running like clockwork - stop whinging and wait for your right whack.
Which any less than 4 years is going easy on him..
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The_Yeti Rioli suspension 2 months 3 days ago #16

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Yeah, demo1, I think that the problem here is more one of 'any less than 4 years....will lead to another WADA appeal.

For all Dimwitriou's shenanigans in the Essendrug affair, the AFL learnt the horrible lesson that there are some things that can't be manipulated into a win for Victoria and the VFL. Kim Jong Gil is just a babe in the woods compared to Dimwitriou, so he's not about to let the tribunal just go ahead without a Baldric style cunning plan in place....and he hasn't got that far yet.

Of course, if they had just let justice take it's course and given him the standard 4 years for cheating, this would all be over.
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Raglan Matt Rioli suspension 2 months 3 days ago #17

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The thing that amazes me in this whole sorry saga is that the eagles management /CH 7/The worst can make out that ASADA/WADA are the cause of Willies problems, while they are entirely unculpable for convincing him it was a good idea to take a full Powerade Lemon Lime bottle into a drug test, and come out with a 1/4 full bottle.
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pollyanna Rioli suspension 2 months 3 days ago #18

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Given all the court/media hoopla which they would have to face, I think it's pretty smart of those guys to just take four years on determining a verdict (and then let the dunderhead off for time already served). I would - four years down the track who would care.
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hypen Rioli suspension 2 months 1 day ago #19

hypen
The problem is being bound to WADA. The AFL does not need to be bound to this body to maintain its performance enhancing drug free reputation. WADA simply wouldn't know who Willie Rioli or the AFL is. They don't care about mitigating circumstances they are a blunt instrument that will have no second thought about destroying a player's career when the choice is to consider mitigating circumstance.
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Morgan Rioli suspension 2 months 1 day ago #20

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There are problems with WADA, including relevantly in Rioli’s case that they classify cannabis as a performance enhancing drug (it’s probably not); but the AFL gets a lot of Government funding that would be at risk if the AFL broke away from WADA/ASADA.

The pro sports leagues in the US don’t sign up to the WADA code, and while it gives them greater flexibility in how they enforce penalties for drug use by athletes, they haven’t exactly had great outcomes with policing performance enhancing drugs themselves.

WADA / ASADA are a clunky fit for a club competition like the AFL, and I think sadly cases like Rioli bear that out a little, but it’s probably better than the alternative of the AFL going out on their own on testing and suspensions.
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shane Rioli suspension 2 months 15 hours ago #21

shane
He swapped in a fake sample. There's no ambiguity about what that means, it's not a grey area. He attempted to cheat.

And you don't know what he had in him that he needed to a fake sample. He gave an explanation as it being the most minor of things but we don't know there wasn't something else, because he gave a fake sample.

Their first version of the story was that he was dehydrated and frustrated with the process and poured sports drink in his sample. The second version was that it was just marrijuna and he panicked. The same way Ben had a brain fade after a drink at a wedding. At what point do we decide that this version is the actual truth.

He tried to cheat and he got caught so he doesn't get to play the game any more.
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Morgan Rioli suspension 2 months 14 hours ago #22

Morgan
If it’s such an open and shut case (it likely is), what do you think is a reasonable period of time for his case to be heard and a finding and suspension length to be reached?
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Walter the baker Rioli suspension 2 months 5 hours ago #23

Walter the baker
After watching the Super Bowl I can see why sports in the US don’t sign up to WADA regulations. Some of those players are very “well built”.
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Raglan Matt Rioli suspension 2 months 4 hours ago #24

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Morgan, probably because Willy isn't the only drug cheat out there, my guess is that there is quite a long line of people who have done the wrong thing in front of him, and he and Nissy have to wait there turn.
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The_Yeti Rioli suspension 2 months 2 hours ago #25

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The only sport that has claimed ASADA / WADA is a bad fit for team sports is the AFL. This was the line of BS they pushed when trying ti undermine ASADA and get Essendon off the hook for sustained intentional cheating. That effort failed because the AFL couldn't manipulate CAS the way they can manipulate the Tribunal or just interpret the rules such that a desirable result an be achieved.

Swimming, athletics, basketball etc have zero issues with the anti-doping process for their teams.

Where it doesn't fit well is with sports that are not administered with integrity because it doesn't allow for manipulation to obtain a desirable result. The AFL administers the sport to maximise income and often the first thing thrown away is integrity. So, it's a bad fit for the AFL because it places limits on how much they can fiddle the results.

As for cannabis not being performance enhancing, the experts say it can, so I'll go with that.

Rioli, like all sportsmen, got regular training in the anti-doping rules. He then made a conscious decision to substitute his sample. That's a failed test and the four year ban is automatic unless there are mitigating or aggravating circumstances. Hiding a cannabis result isn't a mitigating circumstance, so the AFL needs to bite the bullet and just give the four years required under the rules.

The delays are just another attempt to find a way around the rules.
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Blue1red1 Rioli suspension 1 month 4 weeks ago #26

Blue1red1
Has the 3 strikes rule in the AFL changed?

If we were to follow the explanation that the player had cannabis in the system, if this was the 1st / 2nd time a positive would be found, it would be a warning and club internal intervention with the club doctor is that not correct?

If that is correct, why try to cheat if it was your first time or you only had one strike to your name?

Something smells in this case. Which ever way people try to spin it, the player has done the wrong thing and he has made the bed he is lying in..
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shane Rioli suspension 1 month 4 weeks ago #27

shane
He wasn't expecting to be caught. That's why.
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Drubbing Rioli suspension 1 month 4 weeks ago #28

Drubbing
Do ASADA regularly confuse urine and powerade when analysing samples? Pretty dumb to think they do.
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