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TOPIC: “Elite” players hahaha!

FD1016 “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 2 weeks ago #1

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shane “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 2 weeks ago #2

shane
At some point it has to be looked into why the AFL keep pouring money into Champion Data, when they don't appear to be particularly good at what they do. They collect all these numbers and then make reaching assumptions about them, only to produce a report about - who's an elite player.

At least point your dodgy analysis techniques into something interesting.
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Corporal Agarn “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #3

Corporal Agarn
It's not even really a joke, it's pathetically embarrassing.
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The_Yeti “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #4

The_Yeti
'collect all these numbers', Shane.

Ok, I get how getting high stats could be used to (badly) grade players as elite. I mean, it's stupid but I can see why that might be done that way but how do you explain NicNat as being elite?

Still, I suppose if you can be considered elite after 5 games the bar can't be set all that highly
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shane “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #5

shane
Because they make assumptions that weights Naitanui's top stats as being more valuable than all the other stats.

And they provide no evidence to back that assumption up. It's just using numbers to make an opinion seem more legitimate.
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Morgan “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #6

Morgan
It would be helpful if they included some explanation, and it might even make it an article worth reading.

Take Oscar Allen: he’s a good player and shapes to be for a while, but I’m not sure exactly what jumps out from his play or stats that makes him ‘elite’. It would be an interesting exercise from one of the propeller-heads at Champion Data to explain why their data/algorithms rate him higher than, for example, Matt Taberner.

Or perhaps they could explain who Jordan Ridley is. I didn’t follow non-Freo games very closely last year, but I honestly wouldn’t recognise him if I walked into him on the street, which is a little surprising for an elite footy player.
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Dockermus “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #7

Dockermus
I didn’t think Fyfe’s 2020 season was as good as previous years, yet he remains the only Freo player apparently good enough for these chumps to consider as ‘elite’, which suggests that actual game time stats have been reduced to one of many factors in their derived equations.

I suggest it’s bloody obvious that other off-field factors are considered equally important (if not more so), such as marketing value, so Nik No-Stats clings on to his status, as well as important considerations like “which club does he play for?” and, of course, “is he Melbourne based?”.
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pollyanna “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #8

pollyanna
Looking at that league list it becomes obvious to me that Champignon Data doesn't subtract numbers for free kick staging or being a knob. Actually, an AwFL Top Knobber list would be interesting - you know, assess the knobs against wider opinion.
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Corporal Agarn “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #9

Corporal Agarn
Biggest load of B/S I've seen in a long time.

Rowell-played 5 games
Ridley-don't know his number or what position he even plays.
Allen-pleease!
Motlop-dropped during the season due to lack of form.
Cox-couldn't get a regular game. Talk of being traded.
Wingard-shadow of the player he was at Port.
De Goey-missed the majority of the season due to injury.
Edwards-missed a large chunk of season as he didn't want to leave family during covid.
Hunter-missed about a third of the season? due to his drink driving run in.
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gidgegary “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #10

gidgegary
Somebody at Champion Data appears to be having a snide dig at Fremantle, which we are used to, of course. Suggesting that we flicked a pair of Sams - Menegola and Collins, for nothing. Both Elite players of the comp, apparently.

Luke Ryan not Elite? Who is Harry Perryman? And I also wouldn't know who Jordan Ridley is.
A top 10 Brownlow finish does not guarantee you Elite Status either. Cam Guthrie, Luke Parker, Jack McRae, sorry. Runner-up in the Brownlow - no Elite status for you Travis Boak. But hey, your teammate Steven Motlop - he's good.
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pollyanna “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #11

pollyanna
Ridley is actually pretty good - young defender, Bummers (ya knuckleheads).
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Raglan Matt “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #12

Raglan Matt
I know it's a cliche, but it is also a truism; "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
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Raglan Matt “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #13

Raglan Matt
Any list that doesn't have Luke Ryan as an elite player in 2020 is not even a list.
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Dockermus “Elite” players hahaha! 2 months 1 week ago #14

Dockermus
I think Polly’s on to a really good idea. An annual award, as voted for by Dockerlanders (an astute bunch of fair-minded critics, one and all), for the AwFuL’s Top Knobber of the Year.

Any player from any club (except the Dockers) could be nominated, for just about any reason that would pass the pub test. Dodgy voting practices welcomed.
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