TOPIC: 2020 hindsight

Walter the baker 2020 hindsight 1 month 4 days ago #1

Walter the baker
Have we improved?
Upside:
Young players are developing: Cerra, Brayshaw, Darcy, Cox, Schultz, Crowden
We’ve picked up a star in Sarong
The loss of key backs was well covered and allowed Hughes, Duman and Cox to develop
Our skills have improved especially kicking efficiency
We no longer rely on Fyfe
Mundy is still a star
Tabs is the real deal if he stays fit
Ball movement is more confident and composed
JL should only get better
New trades did well especially Acres

Question marks
Where does Hill fit in, if at all?
We persisted with Fredrick but he showed little improvement - hopefully JL sees something that can be developed
Was removing Weber the solution to our injury concerns?
Only two wins against quality teams (Saints and Magpies) - concerning?
Who do we put a line through? Matera, Colyer ...?
It would have been nice to see a bit of some untried players before they are judged.
Can it be seen a successful season when we have finished 12th (and below teams like Carlton)?

My 2020 rear view
I’ve enjoyed watching the games - a much better style of play than the past. The season wasn’t a success based on results but it was a big step forward in developing a competitive team for the next few years. Cautiously optimistic!
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goodie 2020 hindsight 1 month 4 days ago #2

goodie
Tucker doesn't get much attention on this site but he is developing very nicely. We missed him in the last half of the year. On paper we seem to have a surfeit of inside mid, but I feel we still need someone to take some of the heat off Fyfe.
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whatmore 2020 hindsight 1 month 4 days ago #3

whatmore
Our Picks 8 and 9 are my highs and lows.

I number apart in the draft but miles apart in output so far.
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Raglan Matt 2020 hindsight 1 month 4 days ago #4

Raglan Matt
2 entirely different players, one ready physically to play in the heat of the game, the other, like Frederick, needing some development physically and mentally to reach full potential, but Henry has got it. He will be in our 22 by the end of next year.
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rogerrocks 2020 hindsight 1 month 4 days ago #5

rogerrocks
Yeah, agree on Henry. Has just showed a tiny bit, but not any real confidence yet. When that comes he is going to really hurt the opposition. I'm also growing to like Frederick - does a lot wrong, but is getting into the right space and has quick hands. His whole summer should be spent learning to read the play. The way he runs at players who effortlessly sidestep him is frustrating. Get Bruce Doull down to training.
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hypen 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #6

hypen
In hindsight I miss Shane's montages. I'd love something put together to, I don't know Steely Dan maybe (end of Fashion, my arse!), showcasing the talent that is going to bring us so much joy over the next 10 years!
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Gumnut 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #7

Gumnut
The biggest thing to remember with Liam Henry is that he came in with no pre season due to recovering from major knee injury and no match practise at any level. His appearances this season have all been about gaining matchday experience and getting him into the group. What I've really liked on this aspect is the way JLo has all the guys evolving as a team and supporting all the new players.
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Raglan Matt 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #8

Raglan Matt
And, Gumnut, only have match simulation to get ready for his debut in AFL pressure games, not even the competition & hardening of WAFL games to ready him for what it is like at the top level.
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Morgan 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #9

Morgan
I tend to agree with your summary Walter. There are many variables, but we haven’t yet seen the improvement in the win/loss column from last year.

2019: We finished 13th, won 41% of our games and had a percentage of 92%.
2020: We finished 12th, won 41% of our games and had a percentage of 93%.

It probably seems on here that I give JLo a harder time than most. I think that’s true, in part because we are all wedded to our points of view about Lyon, and among the Dockerland regulars I probably disliked him the least. I’m glad Lyon is gone and I was hoping for JLo to get the gig, but looking at those results it’s hard for me to look past the fact that JLo is held to a completely different standard (even though I know I should). Hopefully we’ll all get Lyon out of our system this year.

I think JLo is doing a really good job and I feel really optimistic about next year. There are some obvious deficiencies – with the firepower in our forward line we should not be 16th in scoring – but I think improvement will come with a proper pre-season and more continuity in the forward line. Our midfield is getting beaten, but I think the quality is there.

I can’t help but feel our list is a little unbalanced. It will be interesting to see if we explore some trades, particularly as it relates to our key backs, and particularly if there was a chance to get an elite outside runner (someone of the quality of the Hills in their prime). I admire Bewley’s effort, but if he’s our starting wingman then I think we need to upgrade. We just haven’t replaced the run of B Hill and Langdon.

I really think we’ll jump out of the blocks next year, and if we can open the game up a little more, and have a decent run with injuries, we should make the top 8.
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Raglan Matt 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #10

Raglan Matt
I think, Morgan, while the season end stats are similar, in 2019 we were going backwards, while this season we appear to be going forward, and while only being a small step forwards, as the stats show it, take into account our injury woes and the fact that our many new players did not have the benefit of a proper pre/early season, I think it was a credible performance.

I think some players had their cards marked and were found wanting, and a few more have been given more of an opportunity to show why they are a part of Freo going forward. Whether Bewley, Acres, Colyer, Matera, Blakely, Banfield & Giro have got a future may depend on what they show leading up to 2021 season, through how they present after the break, and how they interview with JL at the season review. I also wonder if Lobb has a future when (if) some of our tall defenders return to the side. JL's body language during his set shot on goal did not look all that positive for Lobb.
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rogerrocks 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #11

rogerrocks
I agree with Morgan, we haven't improved a lot, and yet somehow I feel a lot better about it. It is easy to forget all the players we are missing through injury. Logue, Pearce, Hamling and Tucker will be handy.

But no more honourable losses for me. The Bullies outplayed us, and they are only going to finish near the bottom of the 8. We still have a long way to go. Windows of opportunity tend to shut with a bang, so we'd better make the most of the next couple of years.
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Davo 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #12

Davo
Plenty of 1st year players blooded - Young, Watson, Frederick, Serong, Henry, Sturt.

A couple of new imports played - Aish, Acres.

Good improvements from - Ryan, Cox, Logue, Hughes, Tabs, Brayshaw, Cerra, Darcy, Duman.

Plenty given a chance under Longmuir - Crowden, Bewley, Banfield, Schultz, Blakely

Players whose time is up apart from ones cut already - Matera, Colyer, Giro

Stalwarts - Fyfe, Walters, Mundy, Lobb

To come back - Pearce, Hamling, Tucker. Hopefully Valente.

Qustion marks on a few of them but if you look at the number of players under 50 games, history shows if they're kept together, top 8 is possible.
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shane 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #13

shane
I'm shocked, rogerrocks. Just shocked.
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hypen 2020 hindsight 1 month 3 days ago #14

hypen
I agree with Morgan when he says there is no reason to think he was wrong about Lyon and having said that we should make the eight next year.
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