TOPIC: Humiliation

Mushroom Humiliation 4 days 10 hours ago #1

Mushroom
Hows the irony?

“You know what you don’t do when you’re a leader? You don’t humiliate. And the captain of your club has been humiliated.” Ross Lyon via TripleM

Two things here.

i. There's weird sutff going down at GWS and they're not handling any of it very well, I'll give ya that, but...

ii. Didn't someone once get their employer to pay off another employee to make what you might call a humiliating case of sexual harassment just go away?

Yes, I am bitter on almost anything that bloke says or does and it will take me a long time to let it go.
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shane Humiliation 4 days 10 hours ago #2

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Pavlich likes to tell that story about how Ross Lyon chewed him out in front of everyone for having a clean jumper on a wet day, and Pavlich had a good laugh when he told him that he had showered at half time and changed jumpers.

I've never liked that story because what Ross said is correct.
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Noddy Humiliation 4 days 7 hours ago #3

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Mundy would look in the mirror at half time, note how dirty his jumper was, and make damn sure it was dirtier at the end of the game.
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shane Humiliation 4 days 7 hours ago #4

shane
I reckon Mundy would do what was the most professional thing to do, because he's an adult.
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Drubbing Humiliation 4 days 6 hours ago #5

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That roasting of Pavlich shows Lyon seemed to watch the game about as closely as any of the Victorian callers
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Raglan Matt Humiliation 4 days 4 hours ago #6

Raglan Matt
Drubbing, it showed his mouth started spouting well before his brain got into gear. The old "pick the easy target at half time" syndrome.
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jezzaargh Humiliation 4 days 2 hours ago #7

jezzaargh
Mushy - I think what Ross means here is "leaders don't humiliate, publicly, those they are leading"

It was the media that humiliated Ross

And he wouldn't have seen his treatment of office staff as being within that maxim - only the players. Which was clearly part of his problem and the broader culture problems pervading the club before the clean out...
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darthmarto Humiliation 4 days 2 hours ago #8

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I was going to chime into the whole "humiliation is bad" thing ...

But then I started watching the Kangaroos v Budgies.
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Mushroom Humiliation 4 days 1 hour ago #9

Mushroom
It would almost seem Ross Lyon is not the only one with misapprecation of irony, jezzaargh
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Docker by the Sea Humiliation 3 days 7 hours ago #10

Docker by the Sea
I think in this instance Lyon was referring to allowing an internal player performance/captain to play out in the media. I can’t recall Lyon being one to criticise or make public issues with a player. However this led to him to very rarely saying anything substantial about anything. By the end of his tenure I found this infuriating.
I much prefer Longmuir’s honest response to these concerns. If he’s asked a question about an individual he answers matter of factly and it’s dealt with no humiliation just honesty.
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shane Humiliation 3 days 7 hours ago #11

shane
It's no better doing it in private. The person feels it all the same.

Nor did he add that qualifier.
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Grub Humiliation 3 days 6 hours ago #12

Grub
Humiliation?

Try being one of the Kangaroo players left on the playing roster.
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jezzaargh Humiliation 3 days 5 hours ago #13

jezzaargh
it is no better done in private, but reckon it’s part and parcel of old skool coaching - singling out players for a spray and going Barassi on them. Creates a culture of fear to drive “compliance”. I also reckon Lyon was in that camp, hence the inference I made.
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Raglan Matt Humiliation 3 days 4 hours ago #14

Raglan Matt
The biggest problem with Lyon's sprays, was they had no substance behind them and were too often directed at the wrong players.
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