TOPIC: which school did you go to ?

fourthump which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #1

fourthump
“Schools want captains of AFL teams, not just of industry.”

Jake Niall, The Age, tells us what we already know but in a neat way.

www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/how-private-...20191121-p53cso.html
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jezzaargh which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #2

jezzaargh
elitism kinda sucks almost as much as the priority picks for Gold Coast.

it’s certainly the road to mediocrity as it eliminates a massive talent pool.
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Grub which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #3

Grub
Clontarf would count as Catholic I’m guessing?

Anyway, in my naive little world I’d hope schools would be pumping out kids who are well rounded, respectful and prepared for life rather than those that look good in a blazer and can chase a pigskin around an oval.

I know you can have both and I know that footy is an industry and sometimes a viable career path but it still annoys me that you can buy a career (or at least a significant head start by accessing superior coaches and resources) in football it would seem.
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hypen which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #4

hypen
What really sucks is those PSA schools receiving funding from the Catholic church whilst not prioritising a Catholic education.

I'm fine with Trinity marketing itself as an elite sporting school to John Howard type parents, just don't take funding away from those schools committed to the teachings of Catholicism.

You want a secondary school to turn your son who can kick a football into Sharrod Wellingham, that's fine don't ask the church or the taxpayer to fund it?
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jezzaargh which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #5

jezzaargh
but it's part of building a brand that charges parents $30K a year...
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heycharger which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #6

heycharger
I remember Max Gawn complaining one time on the Marngrook Footy Show panel that too many of his team-mates went to posh schools. He didn't like it, and clearly wasn't one himself.
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The Spud which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #7

The Spud
I too would like to see state school kids make it to the AFL, and it seems to me that if they're good enough they still can. The article also mentions that some of the kids going to these elite schools are recruited to the schools in Year 10 and 11. Presumably, they aren't being recruited from other elite schools. To me that sounds like a pathway for less "advantaged kids" to get into a quality footy programme at a good school which gives them a good/better chance of being recruited to the AFL. What's wrong with that?

Then there's the indigenous kids getting scholarships who otherwise would struggle to get the same education and sporting opportunities. Again, what's the problem?

Not everything has to be us vs them, left vs right, etc. And what the hell is a John Howard parent anyway? Someone without a big chip on their shoulder who doesn't vote labour or green?
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shane which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #8

shane
There are lots of problems but the problem hypen is discussing is that the catholic church and the government are providing funds to these schools who are using them to recruit footballers when the purpose of the money from the government is to provide an education, and the money from the church is to provide an education and a solid catholic grounding.

There are a lot of concessions given to these schools, with the idea that they are doing a good thing. Not because they win football trophies. The idea that they would have a football recruiting department on the pay role, while taking hands outs from the government, should disgust everyone. The idea that they do it under the banner of the Catholic church should disgust themselves.

If you look at Clontarf Academies, they use football as a way to give kids a better education. They have to scrap and beg for every cent they get and it's a credit to everyone involved that they've grown it to become what it is. If the money was directed to places like that, it would actually do some good and, if all you care about is football, you might even discover a few more talented, creative, well rounded footballers who thrive in non-elitist environments.

Trinity can't even teach kids not to touch each other's junk
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The Spud which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #9

The Spud
And the public sector can't run a chook raffle or keep their hands out of the till to the tune of $40m. I hope you had some money on the horses we've all been feeding for the last few years. I, unfortunately, wasn't given the heads up on which ones I had ownership in as a tax payer.

Catholic schools get money from the government because it is still cheaper than building more and schools. 50% of people are net gainers from the government ie. they are receiving more from the government than they pay in tax, so to dress it up as the have nots funding schools for the haves is bollocks.

And if "elite" schools are giving scholarships to indigenous kids and public school kids then everyone's a winner.
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hypen which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #10

hypen
And when people try and speak to these inequities they get shouted down for indulging in class warfare.
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shane which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #11

shane
I went to a catholic school. One of the things they taught me was to speak up against people doing the wrong thing, not back them in just because they're on my team.

Being a private school allows you to charge fees and teach things like religion, it doesn't absolve you from social responsibility.
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The Spud which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #12

The Spud
Even Labour aren't stupid enough to eliminate funding to private schools, because they know that the private system is required to take pressure off of the public system. They still get as much or more bang for their buck doing that than building more and more schools. Not every person who sends their kid to a private school is a Merc driving stockbroker. I'm not, and I work like a donkey to afford to send my kids to what I consider is a school that will give them better opportunities in life. Yes, the taxpayer subsidises that, but the taxpayer also subsidises many other needy causes like Leigh Sales $1m+ per year ABC contract, but of course that's different because she's an inner-city chardonnay socialist.

You're also missing the point, that on the whole, kids who go to private school are from more stable backgrounds, have been schooled in an institution that requires a higher level of discipline etc, two things which AFL clubs put very high on their list. Even if you took away the extra coaching and opportunities, a kid from a stable private school background is likely to be drafted before a kid of the same ability who isn't from a stable backgorund. It is no surprise then that the numbers skew that way. It's just the way it is.

As I said, it isn't a haves and have nots argument. But you go right ahead and have it.
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shane which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #13

shane
It's not about private schools, it's about some private schools.

You read someone take a pop at John Howard and turned your brain off.
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jezzaargh which school did you go to ? 2 weeks 6 days ago #14

jezzaargh
it’s madness to let the system just keep self-selecting kids from elite schools over others, because talent and sporting ability doesn’t work that way.

you’re doing everyone an immense disservice if you don’t invest a little to support talented athletes regardless of their postcode or paretn’s tax bracket.

at the risk of having to say a few Hail Marys for referencing another football code, the US World Cup soccer fiasco seems to be a case on point

I agree with you on the govt subsidies - education, like healthcare, without private sector options, would suffer overall and both sides of politics get that
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