TOPIC: Lobb Season Over

Morgan Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #113

Morgan
“The stadium was built on a swamp,” he said. “There was soil that was compressed to provide an impermeable layer and after that we laid down 400mm of gravel for drainage, 300mm of sand and then about 40mm of turf."

The obvious questions to me are how hard do you need to make soil before water can't pass through it at all? Like, concrete hard?

And second, how does that compare to other grounds and does it make any difference? If you had soil all the way down to the bedrock, does that feel any softer to run on than 1m of soil over concrete? If you're using a penetrometer to measure firmness, then I guess the assumption is it's only the first meter (or less) that is important. Is that true?
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Eggy Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #114

Eggy
You can get the same results for compaction but a different depths. I imagine that the depth of the compaction layers make a real difference to the feel of hardness.

Anyone want to complete a Masters or Doctorate on penetration (maybe don’t google Dr Penetration)
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Morgan Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #115

Morgan
On the bright side Shane, it looks like Freo are taking footwear selection seriously. Have you sent the club your memo about boots?

Interesting to see in the embedded clip Duffield questioning the validity of penetrometer readings. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

thewest.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/o...-lyon-ng-b881229512z
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shane Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #116

shane
I'm struggling to respond to Mark Duffield's comments without using the word retarded. The only way we'll know is if we walk on the surfaces to compare? Does he compare the length of things by holding his hands apart and walking between them to check. Honestly. Someone pays him for those opinions?

You drop it into the ground and it measures the resistance of the soil on the probe. From that they can work out the density and compaction of the soil. People have studied the effects of running on grounds of different density and determined what they believe is a safe level to run around on. They might have those findings wrong because the human body is complicated but it's nothing to do with the measuring technique.

But I'm excited to see the unveiling of his patented Bootameter 6000.
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rogerrocks Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #117

rogerrocks
It would also be interesting to get the perspective of tennis, gridiron and field hockey players. All of them play on non-grass fairly hard surfaces.

Of course gridiron players don't cover a fraction of the distance AFL players cover. And come to think of it, neither do rugby players (of either code).

Hockey and soccer players do cover a lot of distance, but there isn't much need to be bulky - so they can be light weight with less stress on the body.

It looks as though AFL is out on its own as a sport in which big guys run a lot of kms, with a fair bit of it at pace. Now the AFL has ground softness standards, but that doesn't mean they got it right. So maybe the AFL has to do its own research.

Of course one possible solution is to allow unlimited rotations. If you are going to get injured, it usually happens when you are already tired. And limited rotations means players having to stay on the field when they are tired.
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shane Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #118

shane
I think the closest to AFL is Soccer, but it's still a few kilometres less. Although they don't run for as long so I don't know what that means.

We've only got Rory Lobb and Matt Taberner to go on. I don't have the tracker thing so I don't know how far they're running a game but I don't imagine it's in the top bracket.

Larkin's article suggested that the issue with the stress fracture is that the bone is getting damaged quicker than it can heal, it's not just about the damage done and a gradual wearing down over time, but you could certainly reduce the damage by cutting out a lot of the unnecessary running.

It's one more reason to get more efficient at scoring goals.
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Raglan Matt Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #119

Raglan Matt
That's a bloody radical idea Shane. Cut back on running and running related injuries, (not to mention the side benefit of winning more games) by becoming more efficient at scoring goals. I can't believe no-one has thought of this befo….
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FDB Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #120

FDB
Yep, I guess it’s only a thought experiment but having a lumbering lummox like Plugger played in position up front must have reduced the kms travelled for everyone else a lot. Also he could kick straight, but let’s look at one variable at a time.
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shane Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #121

shane
Duffield has doubled down on his stupidity in the paper this morning. Now it's the ground's fault that NikNat got suspended.

thewest.com.au/sport/mark-duffield/mark-...-take-ng-b881230904z

The machine in his head hasn't gone ping in a long, long time.
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Corporal Agarn Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #122

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shane Lobb Season Over 1 month 1 week ago #123

shane
I think the common factor would be players being pushing as close to the limit of breaking as possible, and them getting it wrong.

They'll blame the rules or the conditions instead of backing off on what they're asking the human body to do. It's the industry mindset. It's why Essendon (and the Rugby clubs) were able to convince themselves that injecting players with experimental substances was a reasonable course of action, or Brisbane putting players on intravenous drips at half time, or clubs throwing more money than they have at better and better training facilities.
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WAL Lobb Season Over 1 month 5 days ago #124

WAL
Back in 4 weeks now apparently.
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Stacksonthemill Lobb Season Over 1 month 5 days ago #125

Stacksonthemill
Beat me to it, Wal, but how will we fit him in?
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WAL Lobb Season Over 1 month 5 days ago #126

WAL
Out Cox
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