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TOPIC: Rebuilds

Docker by the Sea Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #15

Docker by the Sea
Should probably add Kangaroos and Brisbane to the list of teams in genuine rebuild. Kangaroos commencing rebuild at similar time as us without having as much success maybe, and Brisbane who have been in the wilderness for some time but maybe gathering talent now.
Collingwood are attempting to do it in their own way but results are questionable. Essendon are in a unique situation so difficult to rule a line through them.
Hawthorn have had years of being expert in recruiting what's needed around a very good group of stars, there are signs that they may be able to achieve it again and buck the trend, but some critical parts will depart at the end of this year.
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Jezza Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #16

Jezza
The loss of players next year aren't going to hurt us as much like it did in 2015 and 2016. That's where Hawks, Eagles and maybe Port, will go backwards on the ladder positions. Our 4 additions in the trade has fast tracked the rebuild by a year or two. Add a couple of other AFL experienced players and suddenly your list is at that stage of contending for finals.
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Raglan Matt Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #17

Raglan Matt
A lot of people thought McCarthy and Kersten would solve our KPF problems, a few said they are not big enough to play those positions, and were brushed off as killjoys. They were right however, and the missing piece is that KPF, that will allow McCarthy and Kersten to play their natural flanker type games. Cox may be an answer, but he has not shown the improvement this year that most of the other young fellas have. If Sandi is fit next year, using Darcy there might be a good option, allowing him to play the 15% of game time as a ruckman that will be all a backup for Sandi gets.
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Corporal Agarn Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #18

Corporal Agarn
Good point about those early losses and the older brigade Jezza. We seem to slowly be returning to that with Pearce, Sutcliffe and Suban back in.
A fine line though as you can't have too many young players all playing at once. We should see Bennell finally in next week.
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cletus Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #19

cletus
Parko made a really good point on Friday night footy this week. Probably as good as Lethal Matthew's "at 50 games , you know what you've got" measure.

Apparently, history shows (someone has worked this out) that Premiership teams have a "minimum 12 players who have played 100 games or more. "

Now, Freo has 16 players in its squad ( by my reckoning...happy to be proven wrong :). ) that have played a hundred games or more. Of those, eight - Ballantyne, T. Fist, Ibbo, D Pearce, Z. Clarke, Johnno, Suban and Spurr - will be lucky to go around again let alone play another year.

The other 8 are Fyfe, Mundy, 2 x Hill, Walters, Neale, Sandy and Sutcliffe. 3 of those will be lucky to play for more than a year.

Take the "conjecture players" as you like - ( Sandy, Spurr, Sutcliffe, Suban and Mundy ....Ballantyne??...Johnno??), the argument which group they are in is academic really....

Point is, a fair percentage of them are borderline players, or are unlikely to play for more than a year.

Now, Griffen has played 96 games, and he' s the next closest to enter the hundred game club. But is he on the list next year?? Then, Harley is on 81. ( a year away from 100...at least), and the likes of Crozier and Sheriden are way back on 67 ( 2 years away) and I'd expect one of those guys not to be at the club next year!

And then the likes of Tabener, Kersten and Weller are around the 45. -55 mark ( ie 3 years away) and then its way back to Blakely and Tucker at 30 odd games or less. Then there is the rest!!

Long and short of it, is that as a squad we are a long, long way away from "Parko's Premiership Team " requirement.

Anyone who thinks we are going to be in contention any time soon is delusional!

Having said that, I'm interested in how the '93 'Baby Bombers stacked up against this measure...? Would have thought they would have pushed having 12... so anything is possible I guess...!??
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Jezza Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #20

Jezza
Freo's 2013 GF team had 12 players over the 100 game mark. They included Mayne, Duffield, De Boer, Crowley, Dawson and Pearce. Then there were the players with star power like Pav, AA Luke, Johnno, Hill, Sandi and Mundy. However, the Dogs won the premiership with just 6 players having played more than 100 games but they were star power players. Our 2018 team with 100 games or more will have Fyfe, Neale, 2x Hill, Mundy and Johnno. Throw in a bunch of up and comers, you suddenly have a recipe of success. So Matthew's theory can be misleading if your star power players are up for the fight. Freo have got the ingredients to bounce back with a vengeance.
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Raglan Matt Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #21

Raglan Matt
It's pretty easy for the Parko's and Mathews's to make generalisations like that on Friday night radio, but they rarely come out with the evidence to back it up. I would suggest that a big percentage of teams most years have that number of players in that game bracket in their squads, so it would be just as easy to generalize that most teams that have a "minimum 12 players who have played 100 games or more " will not win a premiership
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Jason Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #22

Jason
After last season and with Pav retiring - if any one said we'd double our wins & win twice at the MCG against top 8 sides - I and most others would have taken that as a step forward along the 'rebuild.

Throw in blooding 7 new players, the unearthing of 2 or 3 gems in Darcy, Ryan & Logue and the addition of A-graders B.Hill, Hamling and McCarthey & that's progress, IMHO.

Whilst we might have the 3rd oldest list overall, we are fielding one of the youngest and inexperienced sides at present, I suspect. We were 3 years younger than the Eagles for the last Derby. That is significant.

Just as we reaped the rewards this year by pumping games into Blakely, Weller, Langdon &
Hughes last year - we'll get a similar bump from blokes like Darcy, Tucker, Logue, Cox & Ryan next year.

A genuine power forward is our No. 1 deficiency so one of Hogan or M.McGovern should be pursued vigorously - including putting up our first round pick if needed. They don't grow on tress and I'm not convinced Tabs, Apeness &/or Cox are capable of filling that void - at least not in the short term.

From a list management position we continue to retain he players we want too - with Crozier, Langdon & Tucker all set to re-sign. Sheridan, Tabener, Suban and Sutcliffe may all find themselves traded/delisted and I think all of D.Pearce, Griffin, Dawson & Ibbo have run their race in the A-side. Spurr is barely hanging on. We'll lose Balic for sure but homesickness works both ways!!

If we have a bit of luck on the injury front, a fit A.Pearce & H.Bennell should plug a few holes going forward as well.

So from where I'm looking at this from, we're moving in the right direction - even if the path we're on has a few land mines in it!
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jusdoit Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #23

jusdoit
I dont see Mitch McGovern as a power forward we need. He would be handy to have but is not the"big Boy" that we need. Rather we went for a Lobb or similar.
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thegeniusthatis Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #24

thegeniusthatis
Let's make it 9 - with blooding Taylin Dumin and Harley Bennell against the Tiggies.
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Jezza Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #25

Jezza
A rebuild team:
Backs: Logue, Hamling, Ryan
HB: Weller, A. Pearce, Blakely
C: Langdon, Neale, B. Hill
HF: Tucker, Cox, Bennell
F: Walters, McCarthy, Ballas
Ruck: Darcy, Fyfe, S. Hill
Bench: Mundy, Hughes, Sutcliffe, Johnson

Its how we now trade and draft our next group of young talent.
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purplepower Rebuilds 4 months 1 day ago #26

purplepower
We need to get them right for next year....
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